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666 | Fly Fishing the Catskills with Joe Rist – New York, Brown Trout, Dry Fly Fishing

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In this episode, Joe Rist and I will journey to fly fishing the Catskills, often hailed as the birthplace of American fly fishing. Join us as we uncover the rich history of this iconic region, explore the streams of the Beaver Kill and the Delaware branches, and discover why this area holds such a special place in the hearts of anglers.

With Joe’s expert insights, you’ll learn valuable tips on dry fly fishing and perfecting your casting techniques. Whether you’re a seasoned angler or a curious novice, this episode promises to deepen your appreciation for fly fishing in one of the most storied landscapes in the U.S.


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Episode Chapters with Joe Rist on Fly Fishing the Catskills

1:54 – We explore Joe’s journey into fly fishing, sparked by his father’s introduction with basic fishing gear. His passion solidified after catching his first brook trout in Maine and starting “Fish Camp” with friends. Joe transitioned to guiding professionally after retiring from the post office at 55. Following the passing of the shop’s owner, Joe, with no retail experience but support from his family, successfully opened Trout Town Flies, now in its fifth year.

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7:48 – We talk about the history of fly fishing in the Catskill region. Joe highlights its significance as “holy waters,” noting contributions from pioneers like Theodore Gordon and George La Branche.

The Catskill Fly Fishing Center & Museum, covering 50 acres, showcases important figures and artifacts in fly fishing, including the resurgence of interest among younger people during the Covid pandemic.

Photo via: https://www.facebook.com/CFFCM

11:12 – Joe offers advice on the best fishing times in the Catskills, recommending May for dry fly fishing due to ideal temperatures. He suggests novice-friendly rivers like Beaver Kill and Willow, while recommending the East and West Branches of the Delaware River for experienced anglers.

16:22 – For lodging and camping, Joe explains that while there is ample lodging, prime time (late April to early June) requires early reservations starting in December or January. The area has modest accommodations catering to fishermen, including notable places like Roscoe Motel, Riverside Cafe & Lodge, Red Rose, and Rockland House. For DIY camping, there are several state campgrounds, including Butternut Grove, Roscoe Campsite Park, and Peaceful Valley on the Delaware.

18:50 – Joe reveals that his shop makes 60-70% of its flies in-house. He highlights the significance of tying flies like cripples and emergers, as well as traditional Catskill flies. He also recounts creating the brown floating nymph (BFN) after noticing fish feeding on a specific insect on the West Branch of the Delaware.

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25:29 – We get into the other flies he uses in the Catskills. Joe uses the gray fox, cahill, and red quill, effectively on their rivers. He provides a tip for modifying a red quill to mimic a rusty spinner.

28:35 – We focus on fishing the Beaver Kill. Joe notes that the Beaver Kill is more accessible for novice fly fishermen due to its high gradient, which helps correct casting errors. He also mentions that it is stocked with brown trout by the New York State.

32:06 – Our conversation shifts to fishing techniques, where Joe explains the importance of positioning above the fish and allowing the current to deliver the fly naturally. He mentions that in the east, anglers need to feed a lot of line—sometimes 70 to 80 feet—to achieve this, which can be challenging but necessary for successful fishing.

33:24 – Joe elaborates on fishing in the Delaware system, highlighting the commonality of catching large fish, including 21-27 inch fish. He explains the strength and resilience of these fish, particularly due to the cold, fast-moving waters. He also mentions migratory fish like shad and stripers that enter the Delaware system, and the presence of smallmouth bass in areas like the Beaver Kill. He notes that while there are various fish species, anglers predominantly seek large rainbows and browns.

38:05 – We talk about the fishing regulations and conditions in New York. Joe explains that the fishing season runs year-round, with specific rules: from April 1st to October 15th, regular fishing with size and catch limits is allowed; from October 16th to March 31st, it’s catch and release only, with no live bait.

39:33 – Joe mentions temperature inversions in the Delaware River’s tail waters, which affect fishing conditions. Milder winters have led to earlier fishing and hatches, with some species appearing sooner. He highlights that the tail waters offer consistent fishing opportunities, even in warmer months, and details the fishable waters: 17 miles on the west branch and variable conditions on the east branch.

42:03 – Joe describes their guiding and fishing techniques in the Catskills.

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46:16 – For new anglers fishing the west branch of a large river, Joe emphasizes the importance of patience and observation when approaching the water. He advises beginners to look for foam lines, which indicate where food and fish might be. He also suggests breaking the river down into smaller sections, treating it first as a brook, then a stream, to make it less intimidating. He also highlights the need to adjust fishing techniques based on the time of day and hatches. Joe mentions that his shop can help plan trips and tailor them to the angler’s schedule, whether it involves fishing in the morning or evening.

51:19 – We ask about his essential fishing gear. Joe highlights the use of fish-friendly ghost nets, wading staff for stability, quality wading boots for ankle support, and wading belt for safety. He also favors traditional vests for storage and versatility.

Photo via: https://muskyfool.com

53:19 – As we approach late September and early October, he mentions the pre-spawn period when aggressive male trout favor streamers in orange or yellow. He mentions the essential flies during this period.

57:42 – Joe shares his travel bucket list, including a planned trip to Chile with his daughter to potentially represent a lodge there. He also expresses interest in fishing in Alaska and Montana’s grayling, despite past trips to Colorado, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

59:18 – We discuss various boats and flotation devices for the Delaware River, including traditional boats, rafts, kayaks, and paddleboards. Joe warns against belly boats due to safety concerns and praises drift boats for their ability to navigate shallow waters.

1:00:38 – We ask him a couple of random questions on his music preference and go-to bar and restaurants in their area. For music, he likes the Allman Brothers, Coldplay, and Marshall Tucker.


You can find Joe Rist on Instagram @trouttownflies.

Facebook at Trout Town Flies

Visit his website at trouttownflies.com.

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WFS 435 – Delaware River Fly Fishing with Scott Meyer and Steve Borst from Black Dog Outdoor Sports


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Conclusion with Joe Rist on Fly Fishing the Catskills

As we wrap up this episode, it’s clear that our journey through the Catskills with Joe Rist has offered a wealth of insights and inspiration for anglers everywhere. From uncovering the rich history of the Beaver Kill and the Delaware branches to sharing invaluable tips on dry fly fishing, Joe has painted a vivid picture of what makes the Catskills a true angler’s paradise.

We’ve learned the significance of understanding fish behavior, the art of casting downstream, and the magic of swinging trout flies in these historic waters. We hope this episode has not only informed but also inspired you to explore the birthplace of fly fishing in the US. Until next time, tight lines and happy fishing!

665 | Tying Steelhead and Pacific Salmon Flies with Jonathan Farmer – Chasing Chrome, Alaska, Fly Tying

Tying Steelhead and Pacific Salmon Flies

Jonathan Farmer, steelhead fly tying guru and author of Chasing Chrome: Tying Steelhead and Pacific Salmon Flies is here to take us into his world of Alaska and steelhead fishing.

We’ll hear the stories behind flies like the Graboid, Led Zep Prawn, and Mini Me, plus why Jonathan’s shifting to more natural patterns and how he picks his colors.

Jonathan ties some of the cleanest flies you’ll ever see. He’s been putting in 40 to 70 hours a week for over 10 years! Find out why so many people are looking him up and how his book is packed with tips to help you understand fly design.

Ready to pick up some tricks from a pro? Grab a notepad. You’re going to want to jot these down!

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Episode Chapters with Jonathan Farmer on Tying Steelhead and Pacific Salmon Flies

11:17 – Fly fishing started for Jonathan when he was just 17 during a backcountry camp in Colorado. He started with conventional fishing and even joined tournaments in Texas. He worked on sport fishing yachts in South Florida before moving to Alaska, where he got into fly fishing.

12:14 – Jonathan shares that each season in Alaska offers unique opportunities. In spring, he loves stone fly fishing on the Kenai. Summer brings great dry fly action and swinging wet flies. By fall, fish target spawning sockeye.

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Chasing Chrome: Tying Steelhead and Pacific Salmon Flies

21:20 – Jonathan talks about how he always wanted to write a fishing book. A few years ago, he started jotting down thoughts but put them aside. He teamed up with Mike at Mossy’s Fly Shop for help with photos.

24:18 – The book features Jonathan’s favorite steelhead and Pacific salmon flies, complete with step-by-step instructions. He says the book wouldn’t be what it is without Marty Howard’s input on its layout and design.

Marty also co-wrote the book Steelhead Fly Tying Art and Design with Dec Hogan. Check out our episode with Dec Hogan here!

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The Book’s Creation

30:37 – Jonathan said the toughest part of writing his book was the editing process. He followed Marty’s advice and printed three copies for friends to review.

Visit Jonathan’s website or Instagram to grab your copy of his book. You can also get a signed copy, which comes with three flies from the book!

34:07 – The book covers fly-tying techniques and color choices. Jonathan mentioned that while some flies, like the Led Zep Prawn, are super fun to tie, they can be complex. He enjoys having a fly box just to admire the cool designs, even if he doesn’t fish with all of them all the time.

Watch this video of Jonathan tying the Led Zep Prawn on Youtube:

The Challenge of Naming Flies

36:08 – There are 21 unique flies in the book that Jonathan created himself. He said that designing flies is probably easier than naming them. “The Graboid,” was named by a friend without even knowing it.

Many of his flies have music-themed names, like “Sure Shot,” inspired by the Beastie Boys, and “Crown Jewel,” from Brother Ali. He even has a tube fly named “Zoomer,” which was created during a Zoom course.

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The Graboid Leech Photo via https://www.instagram.com/midnightsuncustomflies/

Finding the Perfect Steelhead Fly Proportions

52:29 – Jonathan has been tying flies for nearly a decade and puts in a serious amount of hours—sometimes 70 a week!

53:26 – We dive into how to balance materials when tying the perfect steelhead fly. It’s all about finding the right proportions—not too sparse, but not overly bulky either. If a fly feels too full, he advises creating a channel to slim it down.

Jonathan reminds us that even experienced tiers sometimes end up with flies that are a bit bulkier than intended, and it’s okay to make adjustments.

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55:39 – Bulky flies don’t move or breathe well in the water, which affects how they mimic bait. A fly that casts poorly or looks stiff in the water won’t attract fish.

Jonathan uses a tank in his office to test the movement of his flies. If it doesn’t swim or breathe right after a few hours, it’s a no-go for him, and he tosses it.

The Mini-Me Graboid 

Jonathan shares the story of the Mini-Me fly. The Mini Me uses pine squirrel instead of rabbit, making it a smaller, more versatile fly. Jonathan uses it for steelhead, coho, and trout, especially in colors like black and red or black and blue.

 


Connect with Jonathan on Instagram @midnightsuncustomflies

Visit their website at MidnightSunCustomFlies.com

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Conclusion with Jonathan Farmer on Tying Steelhead and Pacific Salmon Flies

Don’t miss out on the chance to snag Jonathan’s book and three custom flies! That offer is still up for grabs, and it’ll be delivered right to your door. It’s an awesome deal, so go ahead and check it out now!

664 | Fly Fishing Veterans with Doug Myers – Fly Tying and Fishing Expo, 30-inch Trout, Oregon Fishing

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Doug Myers, head man at Fly Fishing Veterans, is going to share his story of serving in the Air Force today before fighting fires for over 30 years. We’re going to hear about some of his home waters in Oregon, Montana and Idaho, and we’re going to hear which place he’d choose to settle down in forever if he had to pick just one. Plus, you’re going to hear about Diamond Lake and where you can find 30-inch trout, including those illustrious tiger trout.


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In today’s episode, you are going to get an inside view into a relatively new veterans group and the fly tying and fly fishing expo that you’re going to want to attend this year. We’re going to find out what it takes to build a program to help veterans and how you can get involved to help some folks in your region or your part of the world. And we are going to talk fishing today, a little tiger trout and a little brown trout is going to round out today’s episode.

Visit their website at 👉🏻 FlyFishingVeterans.org

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663 | UK Fly Fishing with Chris Hague – Iceland, Spey, Atlantic Salmon

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Welcome to our latest episode, where we delve into the exciting world of UK fly fishing with none other than Chris Hague, an elite fly casting instructor and guide. In this episode, we explore the intricacies of fly fishing in the UK and Iceland, focusing on the majestic Atlantic salmon and the art of spey fishing.

Chris shares his expert insights on the best techniques, the top locations for catching wild rainbows, and the current state of salmon fishing in Scotland. Whether you’re a seasoned angler or a curious beginner, this episode is packed with valuable tips and fascinating stories.


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Episode Chapters with Chris Hague on UK Fly Fishing

4:19 – Chris’ interest in fishing began at a young age, influenced by living close to various fishing spots and seeing salmon fishing on family holidays in Wales. His passion for fly fishing led him to focus exclusively on it. About 20 years ago, he began taking exams to become a fly fishing instructor, starting with entry-level certifications and advancing to more complex qualifications, including those from the Fly Fishers International (FFI).

10:14 – Chris describes the current situation of salmon runs in the UK and how it compares to other locations. The UK has experienced a decline in salmon populations with little improvement. He shares his recent experience fishing on the River Tweed in Scotland, where he caught a 13-pound fish but notes the effort required and the scarcity of fish. Chris contrasts this with Iceland’s successful ranching policy, where larger fish are placed in holding pens and a select number of fish are used for breeding.

13:48 – Chris offers spey casting lessons, including single-handed and double-handed workshops, and guided fishing trips for species like trout and pike. He notes that traveling for salmon fishing requires a three-hour drive.

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14:32 – He describes his typical two-handed setup for salmon fishing, including a 12’7″ Mackenzie FX2 rod made of carbon and graphene, paired with a Lamson reel and a shooting head system. He emphasizes the versatility of multi-tip line setups, which allow anglers to adjust their fishing strategy quickly without carrying heavy gear. He prefers traveling light and uses this adaptable setup to efficiently cover different fishing conditions.

Photo via: https://www.mackenzieflyfishing.com/collections/double-handed-fly-rods/products/fx2-graphene-atlas-6pc

19:18 – Chris explains they are currently designing a new line for Mackenzie, and he describes the evolution of fishing lines, noting that Skagit and Scandi lines emerged around the same time. Skagit lines were short and designed for throwing heavy, large flies, while Scandi lines offered better presentation but were still relatively short. Chris mentions the development of hybrid lines that combine the benefits of both Skagit and Scandi lines, being short but offering better presentation.

21:07 – He mentions the Lamson Guru reel which he says complements the black, orange, and white Mackenzie rods. Mackenzie was founded by Scott Mackenzie, a world champion distance caster. The company has gained recognition for its innovative rods, especially those incorporating graphene, a material known for its strength and stability. This has led to the Mackenzie rods winning several awards in the UK.

Photo via: https://www.lamsonflyfishing.com/products/guru-s

Additionally, Chris mentions that Mackenzie is expanding their product line to include clothing and various types of rods, including those for tight line nymphing, saltwater fishing, and predator fishing, with new products expected in 2025.

23:49 – Chris recounts catching a 30-pound fish in the River Tweed using a 12ft 7wt rod while fishing from a boat. He mentions that the boat is maneuvered manually by gillies, who have impressive arm strength due to their constant rowing. Chris describes the fishing experience, noting the gentle take of the fish and how he adapted his technique by changing the depth and fly used.

26:35 – For those planning a fishing trip to the UK, Chris suggests that while the UK has fantastic rivers, access can be challenging due to many being members-only. He mentions that many anglers travel to places like Iceland and Norway for better fishing experiences. He prefers Iceland because he can reach rivers there faster than in Scotland and finds the fishing quality superior.

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Fishing in East Ranga river in Iceland (Photo via: https://www.facebook.com/chrishagueflyfishing)

30:24 – We dig into the history and evolution of spey casting. He explains that spey casting originated in the 1880s with fishermen who needed a technique to cast in limited space and under various wind conditions.

34:41 – We talk about salmon fishing techniques, particularly in Iceland and the UK. Chris explains that early in the season, larger and more aggressive fish are more likely to chase bigger flies, whereas later in the season, fish become more cautious and prefer smaller flies. He shares insights on how to keep the fly in front of the fish longer by manipulating the line without creating too much slack.

40:37 – Chris shares his love for various fish species and recounts a memorable trip to the Maldives. There, they engaged in sight fishing on flats, targeting species like triggerfish and yellow-spotted trevally. He describes the excitement of seeing fish chase the bait and the necessity of quick casting adjustments.

Chris Hague fishing in Maldives (Photo via: https://www.facebook.com/chrishagueflyfishing)

43:58 – We talk about his fly casting workshop. Chris explains that his workshops, like the recent ones in Italy and Derbyshire, are full-day events focusing on various types of casting techniques. He begins with basic waterborne anchor casts such as snap casts and double spey casts, then progresses to more advanced airborne anchor casts like Touch and Go and Snake Roll casts.

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Chris’ spey casting workshop in partnership with Mallon and Green on the Peacock water at Rowsley (Photo via: https://www.facebook.com/chrishagueflyfishing)

46:31 – Chris describes the snake roll cast. He explains that this cast is designed for quick angle changes and is ideal when there’s limited space behind the caster, such as when there are obstructions.

48:42 – He shares his plans for the rest of the year which includes a comprehensive salmon fishing course in Iceland, specifically at the East Ranga. The course, taking place just before prime fishing season, will cover various aspects of salmon fishing, including casting workshops, fly selection, and fishing strategies.

Photo via: https://www.eastranga.com

54:32 – We briefly talk about the fishing conditions and fish populations in Iceland, comparing them to those in other regions. Chris says that while there were fewer fish this year, the numbers remain relatively constant due to effective management policies. We also discuss the impact of hatcheries.

57:22 – We get into the gear for salmon fishing. Chris explains that while they do use nets, he personally doesn’t carry one, relying instead on nearby gillies to help with netting fish and emphasizing the importance of fish care and keeping the fish in the water. He prefers to travel light, carrying minimal gear such as tippet, nippers, a tape measure, and a small box of flies and hooks. He avoids using a vest or pack, instead storing everything in his waders.

59:42 – Chris gives an advice for those who are planning a fishing trip to Iceland. He suggests first-timers to join organized trips led by experienced guides to avoid common pitfalls such as bringing the wrong gear. He emphasizes the importance of proper preparation, including selecting the right clothing and equipment, and knowing the best fishing spots.

1:01:26 – Chris currently uses a prototype line. He mentions that Mackenzie is developing a new, simplified multi-tip fly line system designed to be easy to use. This system will include a floating body and a sinking body, allowing anglers to control the depth and speed of their fly. The simplified system aims to avoid the confusion associated with blended lines.


You can find Chris Hague on Instagram @chrishagueflyfishing

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Visit his website at flyfishingwithchrishague.co.uk.

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Conclusion with Chris Hague on UK Fly Fishing

Our conversation with Chris Hague offered a glimpse into the rich history and evolving techniques of fly fishing in the UK. From mastering the spey cast to uncovering the best spots for trout and salmon, Chris shared invaluable insights that can enhance any angler’s experience.

Whether you’re planning your next trip to the storied rivers of Scotland or looking to perfect your snake roll cast, Chris’s expertise provides a wealth of knowledge to draw from. We hope you found this episode as enlightening as we did.

Littoral Zone #12 with Phil Rowley | What Trout See and Why it Matters with Jason Randall

In today’s Littoral Zone episode, Phil chats with Jason Randall about what trout see and why it matters.

Jason has written four books, including his famous trout trilogy, which dives deep into how trout behave in their environment. While Jason’s passion lies in rivers and streams, the research and knowledge he’s amassed is equally beneficial to stillwater fly fishers.

His understanding of how trout see is crucial information for all fly fishers, guiding both our pattern selection and presentation techniques, information that helps us consistently make the correct pattern and presentation choice.

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Episode Chapters with Jason Randall on What Trout See and Why it Matters

2:20 – Jason Randall graduated as a veterinarian and did postgraduate work in fish health and medicine. Although he considered a career in fisheries, he ultimately chose private practice.

4:16 – Jason started fly fishing around 40 years ago but got frustrated early on due to a lack of guidance. He took a break, then later tried again this time with the help of great mentors.

Jason says his passion really started during a trip to Colorado. A guide introduced him to a caddis hatch that transformed the river into a feeding frenzy of trout. Watching the stream come alive with caddis and rising fish was a game-changer for Jason.

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08:21 – Jason says he was lucky to have some amazing mentors like George Kustin who guided him in fly fishing and taught him about wet flies and soft tackles. Lefty Kreh took Jason under his wing.

09:31 – Jason also works with Temple Fork Outfitters on rod design and prototype testing. This year, they introduced a new European Nymphing Rod called the Elevare, which won Best New Rod at ICAST 2024.

Books by Jason Randall

13:00 – Jason’s trout fishing trilogy started in 2012 with Jay Nichols from Stackpole Books. The trilogy covers:

Jason also wrote Nymph Masters, a collaborative effort featuring tips from top nymph anglers like Gary Borger and Lefty Kreh.

Trout Sense

17:00 – Trout begins life as prey, eating small organisms like plankton.  As they grow, they become predators, feeding on insects, crustaceans, and even small fish or mammals.

They retain the wide-set eyes of prey for spotting threats and the sharp focus of predators for hunting. This makes them tricky to catch.

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21:10 – Jason explains how light works differently underwater, which affects how trout see. Refraction, or the bending of light when it moves from air to water, can also trick us into thinking we’re casting right over a fish, but we could be a few feet off.

 26:08 – Jason dives into how color fades underwater, starting with red, and how different colors are absorbed at various depths. Fluorescent colors like chartreuse stand out the most and create a strong contrast, which trout notice.

29:18 – Unlike humans, a trout’s pupils don’t adjust to light, and their eyes have a football-like shape that lets them see clearly both in front and to the side.

Search Image and How Trout Decide to Eat

42:11 – Trout uses a “search image” to figure out what’s food and what’s not. They focus on four things: size, shape (profile), movement, and color.

If a fish keeps ignoring your fly from far away, it’s probably the size or shape that’s off. But if they come close, and then turn away, Jason says that it may be a color-based refusal.

Follow Jason on Instagram @jasonrandallflyfishing

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Conclusion with Jason Randall on What Trout See and Why it Matters

In the Bucket #9 | Snowboarding, Hunting, and Steelhead Fishing in Northern BC with Curtis Ciszek, Eric Jackson, and Darcy Bacha

Today Brian chats with Curtis Ciszek, Eric Jackson, and returning guest, Darcy Bacha. These guys are known in the snowboarding industry. They are also passionate steelhead anglers. They talk about the movie they did in the Skeena called Alignment and touch on some fishing and hunting stories and insights in Northern BC. It’s time to get in the bucket…


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659 | Texas Redfish Adventures with Rick Hartman – Lower Laguna Madre, Speckled Trout, Tarpon

Texas Redfish

In this episode, we explore the thrilling world of Texas redfish fishing with expert guide Rick Hartman. Rick shares invaluable tips on casting in windy conditions, identifying nervous waters, and practicing techniques that will improve your chances of catching redfish, trout, tarpon, and other saltwater species.

Join us as we uncover the secrets to successful fishing, including how to mark your line for more accurate casts and the surprising truth about whether a redfish will take a bare hook. Rick also provides a step-by-step guide on planning your next fishing trip to South Texas, ensuring you know what to do and what to avoid.


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Episode Chapters with Rick Hartman on Texas Redfish Adventures

1:38 – Rick recounts his introduction to fly fishing, which began accidentally through older family members during childhood trips to farm ponds and the mountains. He explains that he didn’t realize fly fishing could be done in saltwater until he was in junior high.

5:35 – He describes the Lower Laguna Madre area in South Texas. It’s a remote area with few access points, mainly through Port Isabel and Port Mansfield, and airports in Harlingen and Brownsville. Rick mentions that while most fishing is within the bay system, there are opportunities to fish in the Gulf of Mexico for various species, though the rough and windy conditions often limit these outings.

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9:55 – We talk about the best times to target redfish in his area. Rick mentions that fall, especially September to October, is an excellent time to fish due to consistent weather. Although August can be very hot and humid, it still offers good fishing. Overall, he advises avoiding winter if traveling from afar to ensure a better fishing experience.

14:13 – We ask him about the stingray tailing. Rick explains that they act like vacuum cleaners on the flats, picking up crabs and shrimp from the bottom. Fish like trout and redfish follow behind stingrays to catch the leftovers the stingrays miss. This behavior makes the fish so focused that they don’t notice nearby boats.

Atlantic Stingray (Photo via: https://tpwd.texas.gov/fishing/sea-center-texas/flora-fauna-guide/gulf-waters/animals-of-the-gulf-waters/atlantic-stingray)

17:59 – To find a fish, Rick emphasizes that the first and most crucial factor is the water level, which can change daily due to wind. He explains that he assesses various spots based on whether the water levels are suitable for his boat to float. He also considers wind direction and looks for sheltered shorelines where the water might be clearer.

Rick contrasts this with trout fishing, noting that unlike trout, which behave predictably, redfish can be much more challenging. The conditions and fish locations can change so rapidly that even after having a fishing spot “wired” for a week or two, a short break can make it feel like starting over.

20:34 – We dig into his involvement in casting competitions. Rick mentions he participated in these competitions for about 12 years, drawn by the excitement and substantial prize money which attracted participants globally. One these events was by the International Sportsmen’s Expo (ISE).

24:01 – Rick recounts his success in various casting events, describing the process where top casters get to choose their fishing spots. He shares that his interest in casting began because he found it enjoyable and started working at a fly shop where he taught casting and fly tying classes. He was introduced to casting tournaments by a Sage representative, which led him to participate and eventually excel in these competitions through extensive practice.

29:45 – We ask him for some casting techniques, particularly in challenging conditions like windy environments or saltwater fishing. Rick emphasizes the importance of practicing with targets, suggesting anglers use a single target to practice hitting from various distances and directions. He stresses the significance of making effective second casts if the first cast is off-target, rather than wasting time stripping the line back in and starting over.

35:17 – Rick emphasizes that the casting stroke should not change in the wind; instead, the elevation of the forward cast should be adjusted. He advises aiming the forward cast lower to the water to prevent the wind from pushing the fly back. He warns against using too much force, which can create larger loops and reduce aerodynamics, suggesting a more controlled and precise technique for better results.

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43:26 – He describes his process for preparing and helping his guests catch fish on his boat. He usually stops the boat 200-300 yards from the fishing spot to approach quietly. He observes the water to identify patterns and waits for the right time to fish. Rick provides tips for his guests, such as stripping off line and false casting to prepare. Depending on the wind conditions, he maneuvers the boat to give his guests the best possible shot at casting.

45:59 – Rick explains that “nervous water” looks different from the regular water pattern and can be a sign of fish activity. He elaborates that while water generally has a consistent pattern, a small area with a different pattern could indicate fish.

50:29 – We get into fly tying. Rick shares that he ties his own flies because store-bought ones often don’t meet his standards. He mentions purchasing supplies from various places, including shows and local fly shops like Bob Marriott’s and Fishing Tackle Unlimited.

When asked about his go-to fly patterns, Rick highlights a small, tan, cream-bodied, weedless crab pattern in different weights, and a white clouser with a weed guard, both effective for redfish and speckled trout. He notes that while these patterns work in most situations, adjustments are sometimes necessary.

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53:39 – We ask him about the brands he have worked with. He mentions reels from Abel and Ross, highlighting their high-quality reels. He also praises Rise Fishing Co. for their excellent rods. For lines, he uses those from Airflo.

54:43 – When planning for a fishing trip in South Texas, Rick emphasizes the importance of preparation. He advises not to assume you’re ready just because you’ve fished before. Given the significant investment in the trip, he suggests practicing casting regularly, perhaps in your yard, to improve accuracy and distance. He also recommends seeking help from a local fly shop instructor if necessary.

56:18 – We get into movies, podcasts, and music. Rick reveals his love for Guy Ritchie films, particularly “Snatch” and “Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels,” citing their great characters and one-liners.

Our conversation shifts to media consumption during road trips. Rick shares that he listens to both music on Spotify and fly fishing podcasts, mentioning how his daughter introduced him to Spotify.


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Visit his website at TexasRedfishAdventures.com.


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WFS 518 – Mayfly Outdoors with Jeff Wagner – Airflo, Ross Reels, Abel Reels


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Conclusion with Rick Hartman on Texas Redfish Adventures

From mastering the techniques of casting in the wind to identifying nervous waters, Rick shared invaluable tips that are sure to enhance your fishing adventures. We delved into practical strategies, such as marking your line for more accurate casts and understanding the behaviors of different species, including the ever-elusive redfish.

Rick’s passion and expertise truly shone through as he guided us through the essentials of planning a successful trip, complete with the dos and don’ts to keep in mind. Whether you’re a seasoned angler or a newcomer to the sport, these tips will undoubtedly help you make the most of your time on the water.

658 | Jay Fair Trolling Flies with Denis Peirce – Trout, California, Stillwater

Trolling Flies

Denis Peirce, radio show host and trolling flies guru, is here to take us into the history of the great Jay Fair, how all this came to be, and his connection to Jay.

Today, you’ll learn how to troll flies with your current gear, the secret to manipulating your fly, and even hear the story behind the wiggle fin that started with a WD-40 can!

Grab your favorite drink and get ready for a laid-back way to catch some big fish!

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Episode Chapters with Denis Peirce on Trolling Flies

03:50 – Denis grew up fishing in Southern California with his grandfather. Over the years, he built a successful business selling flies to resorts and fly shops. He focused on places where people actually fished, like the Sierras and up the West Coast.

06:31 – Denis talks about Jay Fair’s unique trolling system. Jay used a sink tip line to keep his fly just below the surface, trolling near shallow areas where trout would feed.

07:46 – Denis started working with Jay Fair in the late ’90s. Jay met Denis at the International Sportsman’s Expo and asked him to produce the flies on a larger scale. Jay provided the kits with all the materials, and Denis handled the production and shipping.

Getting Started with Trolling Flies

12:58 – Denis talks about how to start trolling with flies, even if you’re new to it. He says your current rods, reels, and lines will do. If you have a spool of 2X tippet, you can make a longer leader, and you’re set. A sinking or sink tip line works better, but even a standard floater can work.

14:49 – We discuss why trolling flies might get negative reactions and why it’s a great technique. He says trolling is great because it’s less physically demanding than casting all day. Plus, trolling helps cover a lot of water, which is key when fish are scattered.

Check out our Episode with Denny Rickards Here.

Best Conditions for Trolling Flies

17:50 – Early mornings and low light are prime trolling times because fish are likelier to be in shallow areas. Fish will drop deeper as the sun rises and the water gets clearer.

Denis stresses that fishing is like solving a puzzle; you must adjust your technique based on daily conditions.

20:55 – Denis recommends letting your boat glide to a stop to let your gear sink, then speeding up again to move the gear through different depths. Changing direction also helps provoke strikes, as fish react to movement.

22:17 – Trolling flies are designed to attract trout, which are visual feeders. They feature long tails and wings to create movement in the water. The action disc can make the fly swim even more attractively.

25:59 – The WiggleFin Action Disc is a small plastic disc that adds movement to your fly and makes it more attractive to fish. Dean Teegarden was inspired by a creative fisherman using sequins and a leech pattern. Dean took that idea and made the disc using a contact lens holder and a tube from a WD-40 can.

Trolling Flies

29:06 – Jay Fair used a floating fly line and manipulated it by adding a mend—basically flicking the rod to make the fly pulse and change speed. This technique makes the fly move more naturally.

Fishing Show with Dennis Peirce

33:13 – Denis shares about his weekly radio show that’s been on air since the early ’90s. It runs every Friday night from 6 to 7 PM. The radio show started as a way for Denis to connect with his fly fishing customers and learn more about their local fishing spots.

Trolling Flies

40:42 – When trolling, any streamer fly will work, but deceivers are especially cool if you let them soak for 10 minutes. You can use tube flies and stack them to make long flies.

47:53 – Denis says to focus on structure in the water to find big fish. Finding structure is key, so invest in a basic fish finder to locate it.

For trolling, you can use lead core lines or modern shooting heads with sinking rates. Thin braid backing helps you go deeper, and you can add a flasher to your setup for better attraction.


You can find Denis on Facebook: Arctic Fox Trolling flies 

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Conclusion with Denis Peirce on Trolling Flies 

Your call to action today: check out TrollingFlies.com. They have cool stuff like Jay Fair’s videos. It’s a great resource if you want to dive deeper into trolling techniques. Don’t miss it!

657 | Huron River Watershed Council with Belinda Friis and Ric Lawson – River Restoration, Smallmouth Bass, Great Lakes

Have you ever thought about that urban stream that’s flowing right near your home right now? As water runs off the street and into the creek, what happens next? Who’s looking after the creek? And who’s protecting those fish species that are inhabiting those areas? Today you’re gonna get an inside view of a watershed council that is protecting their basin on a large scale. And we’re gonna talk about how this all ties into the smallmouth bass trip and giveaway we’re doing right now. So you know a little bit more about how to protect your own streams and how to get involved in this big trip.


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Belinda Friis and Ric Lawson from the Huron River Watershed Council are here to shed light on the work they’re doing to protect one of the biggest and most important rivers in the Michigan area of the Great Lakes. You’re gonna find out today what forever chemicals are and what they are doing to help protect these chemicals from getting into our streams. You’re gonna find out what the Stonefly search is all about and how this is helping to prepare some of the work they’re doing out in their area.

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And you’re also gonna get a little bit of hope, actually a lot of hope into looking at the future. We’ve talked a lot about this on the podcast. There’s definitely some ups and downs in species populations, but today we’re gonna be talking about a few in this area and you’re gonna get some good direction moving forward. Plus, did I mention it? We’re gonna be giving away a trip to Schultz Outfitters, and if you wanna get involved in this trip, you can do it. We’ll talk about that at the end. Definitely pumped to get into the Detroit area, putting Detroit on the map, the Huron River. This is gonna be awesome. So let’s give back to another great organization.

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656 | Smallmouth Bass Fishing with Mike Schultz – Schultz Outfitters, Michigan Rivers, Softshell Turtles

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In today’s episode, Mike Schultz from Schultz Outfitters shares his invaluable insights to help make your next smallmouth bass fishing trip a roaring success. From headhunting strategies and the importance of the right angle, to understanding how temperature influences your fishing methods throughout the year, this episode covers it all.

Plus, we delve into some unique tips, like how chasing softshell turtles can improve your bass fishing game. So, let’s get into it and uncover why smallmouth bass fishing is a favorite among some of the best anglers in the country.


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Episode Chapters with Mike Schultz on Smallmouth Bass Fishing

3:14 – We discuss the unique aspects of smallmouth bass fishing in Michigan. Mike highlights that the local rivers, being smaller and more intimate, offer a special experience compared to larger watersheds.

Mike mentions that their standard fishing trips involve using Clackacraft skiffs, which are perfectly suited for their rivers. The guides have flexibility in scheduling trips, adjusting based on the time of year and water conditions.

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6:29 – We get into the fishing conditions and expectations for our upcoming trip in July 2025. Mike mentions that July is typically great for topwater fishing, using poppers and terrestrial baits similar to trout fishing gear. There are also insect hatches, such as mayflies, that can start in early June and last into September, providing various fishing opportunities.

10:14 – We discuss plans for a fishing trip in Michigan, focusing on the unique aspects of fishing in the Great Lakes region. Mike describes their different fishing programs available in mid-July, including opportunities to catch numerous smallmouth bass or targeting larger fish in smaller rivers. He emphasizes that by mid-summer, large fish often remain in fixed areas, allowing for more strategic fishing.

14:08 – According to Mike, the state record in Michigan for smallmouth bass is over nine pounds, but such large fish are typically found in lakes and not in the rivers where they fish. Their focus is more on the length of the fish, with a 20-inch smallmouth being considered mature and noteworthy. He mentions that their crew catches around 25 to 30 smallmouth bass each year that are 20 inches or larger.

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16:06 – For a successful smallmouth bass fishing from a drift boat, Mike emphasizes the importance of keeping the fly out front of the boat rather than off to the side. This approach helps keep the angler undetected and ensures a more effective hook set when the fish inhales the fly. He further explains that this method not only improves your chances but also provides a better experience for all on the boat.

21:13 – We talk about the evolution of drift boats in their region. Mike reminisces about the old aluminum drift boats, especially the big 16-foot models. He explains that initially, large aluminum boats were common, but over time, companies like Hyde and Stealth Craft began producing lighter, narrower boats that are more suitable for the local rivers. These boats are easier to maneuver and can be equipped with small motors, which helps them cover long stretches of river without exhausting themselves.

24:45 – Mike attributes the Schultz Outfitters’ success to longevity in the field, treating people well, fulfilling promises, and compensating team members fairly. He mentions key figures like Jeff Liskay and Greg Senyo, highlighting their expertise and humility despite not being very active on social media. He also notes the special environment they’ve created at Schultz Outfitters, which some customers deeply appreciate.

Jeff Liskay in Schultz Outfitters’ 13th Annual Demo Days (Photo via: https://www.instagram.com/schultzoutfitters/)

28:25 – Mike runs through the normal year at their shop. They do a lot of fly tying focused events from January to February. He also mentions one of their big annual events which is called Bobbin the Hood.

“The Second Annual Bobbin’ the Hood Fly Tiers gathering has started to take shape! Once again this event will feature a stacked roster of not only fly tiers but highly respected guides, angling pioneers, and designers. You’re not gonna want to miss this one…” (Photo via: https://www.instagram.com/schultzoutfitters/)

34:55 – We ask Mike about his preferred water conditions, to which he responds that he enjoys a sudden increase in water flow. Mike shares a recent vacation experience where the river’s flow increased from 1000 to 1600 cubic feet per second (CFS), resulting in excellent fishing conditions. He notes that earlier in the week, finesse techniques worked best, but the increase in flow changed the fishing dynamics.

35:54 – Mike elaborates on the concept of finesse fishing, which can range from using small foam flies like damsels and dragonflies to larger poppers, emphasizing patience and precision.

38:42 – He also describes a unique technique that involves sight fishing around softshell turtles, similar to saltwater fishing. These turtles dislodge food while feeding, attracting fish, and the key is not to spook the turtle to capitalize on the opportunity.

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47:12 – Mike tells us that bass are always predators and that their diet is influenced by their surroundings. For example, in one area with abundant caddis, even smaller fish like 12-14 inch bass consume caddis larva. Bass also eat crayfish, hexes, frogs, and various bait fish that migrate from the Great Lakes at different times of the year. Mike emphasizes the importance of understanding the seasonal and environmental factors, such as water levels and temperatures, to predict feeding patterns.

49:28 – We dig into casting. Mike stresses the necessity of being proficient in backhand casting, especially when fishing from a boat or in specific scenarios. He advises against hard stops in casting when using bigger flies, recommending instead a continuous motion style, such as the Belgian or elliptical cast.

56:26 – Mike provides advice for beginners, emphasizing the importance of listening to guides, being patient, and practicing casting. He stresses the quality of equipment provided and recommends following gear guidelines to ensure a smooth experience. He mentions that while summer is the peak season, the chances of encountering other anglers are low, providing a serene and almost exclusive fishing experience.

For those who are interested in smallmouth fishing with Mike’s crew, enter our trip and gear giveaway through this link or learn more about it here.

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1:04:00 – We get into sports. Mike’s children participate in travel baseball and recently played in an amateur tournament in Omaha He mentions that baseball consumes most of their weekends in spring but is enjoyable and educational for the kids.


You can find Mike on Instagram @SchultzOutfitters.

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Conclusion with Mike Schultz on Smallmouth Bass Fishing

From understanding the ideal sizes and techniques for catching smallmouth bass to mastering top water action and streamer fishing, Mike has shared invaluable tips to elevate your next fishing trip. Whether it’s learning the importance of temperature throughout the year or discovering the intriguing role of softshell turtles, this episode has covered it all.  Check out wetflyswing.com/smallmouthbass to join us on our upcoming smallmouth bass fishing trip.

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