Dave (2s): If you ever had any questions about what it would take to elevate your streamer skills, today’s episode is just for you. That’s because we have one of the great streamer anglers who guides in one of the greatest, most remarkable rivers in the country. And today, you’re gonna get some of his best tips and find out about a new podcast that was created just for you. This is the Wet Fly Swing podcast where I show you the best places to travel to for fly fishing, how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip, And what you can do to give back to the fish species we all love. Hey, how’s it going? I’m Dave host of the Wet Fly Swing podcast. I’ve been fly fishing since I was a little kid, Grew up around a little fly shop, and have created one of the largest fly fishing podcasts in this country. Chad Johnson, legendary guide on the White River, is gonna take us back into his amazing world. Dave (45s): You’re gonna find out how the White River came to become this legendary fishery. It wasn’t always that way. It starts back with Dave Whitlock, a great Dave Whitlock story, and you’re also gonna find out when the best time is to target big browns and big fish on the white with streamers. And we’re also gonna find out why he’s still excited about the area, even though the famous DaLiss fly shop has moved on. And I don’t wanna forget that big secret. It’s gonna be unveiled Today. You don’t wanna miss this one. It’s about a podcast. It’s about CJ’s. This one’s gonna be good. All right, let’s get into it. Here we go. Chad Johnson from CJs white river outfitter.com. How you doing, Chad? Chad (1m 26s): Doing great, Dave. Thanks for having me. Dave (1m 28s): Yeah, yeah, this is another good one here. I was just looking back, episode 5 24, which actually wasn’t that long ago, really. It was, I think November, kind of a fall winter 2023. And You know, we’re 25 now and looking ahead. So I think that episode that we did was so amazing. And we’ll have a link in the show notes. It got me going on a couple things. One was that I wanna do another podcast with you and talk more about the White River and everything you do. But also we have a big announcement that we’re gonna talk about today, which is something that we’re gonna really be taking, I think, this podcast to the next level, talking about, You know, fly fishing for, You know, not only streamers, but just for big fish and kind of what you do. So, but first off, thanks for joining here. Dave (2m 8s): What’s been going on the last kind of year and a half for you? I know you’ve had some big things, there’s been some big changes in all that, but what’s been going on on the fishing end and everything else? Chad (2m 17s): Yeah, there’s been a lot of changes this year. You know, we have, I guess the number one big change here that I should kinda clarify with some people that know us and have visited us here in the Ozarks, that Dali’s fly shop that we have worked out of for the last 20 years is no longer. Hmm. The fly shop has closed down as of a couple of weeks ago. Me and Dally are still in the area doing our thing. We’re running our outfitter services. Most of you guys know I’m CJ’s White River Outfitters. Yep. So we’re just gonna kinda start seeing what’s next and what’s in the future for us. Chad (3m 3s): We’ve got some things on the burners that we’re not ready to turn loose yet, but just to kill any rumors or anything that’s going around out there, like we’re still here. Dave (3m 13s): You’re still here, you’re, you’re not retiring anytime soon. Chad (3m 16s): We’re still fishing. We aren’t leaving the area. Yeah. All of our customers that have booked with Dolleys for years can come book through me or Dally Steel. And we’re still running the same guide services and guide teams. We’re just doing it without the money man supply shop, that’s all. Gotcha. And so we’re still in there, but yeah, big change. But, You know, it’s pretty exciting. Dave, for me, just a little side note, it was really funny for me. You know, you called me with the new news and big announcement. Yeah. Literally the day before the shop closed. Wow. And I lost my media outlet. Chad (3m 58s): You popped up. And so like, I just feel like, yeah, change is coming, but things are falling into place. You never know where life takes you. Right. Dally was good for us for a season, and we appreciate everybody that let us do what we love to do for the last 20 years. You know, like, obviously, I mean a little cliche, but we couldn’t have done it without ’em. I mean, our customers are what allow us to do the jobs that we get to do. So anyway, I know that’s kind of a bummer thing or whatever, but I just, right off the bat, just kinda wanted to get that out of the way. It’s kind of the buzz out there surrounding us right now. Chad (4m 42s): And so I just, just a little clarification. We’re here. Everything’s good. The white ribbon still going good, blowing. There’s still brown trout that live in it, You know? Dave (4m 52s): Yeah, yeah. There’s still fish to be had. It’s just that, You know, and change is part of, I’m glad you started off with that first off, You know, because that’s a big, a big change. But like I said, I think the cool thing is, is that, yeah, we’ve got this new potential, You know, thing we’re doing well, we are doing this thing and, and basically just to shed light on this, just so people don’t have to hold to the very end, You know, what we’re doing is a series. We’re gonna be doing a series of podcast episodes where you’re gonna be hosting. And I’m excited about it because we’ve been doing this around the country. And the ones we’ve done so far have been really a big hit because I think it’s focusing more regionally. So we’ve been in, You know, now we’ve got steel water, we’ve got like West coast stuff, we’ve got Great Lakes, and the one place was the Southeast. Dave (5m 32s): You know, I always think about it, the Southeast is a place that I really, we’ve done a lot of episodes there, but I don’t have as much of a connection. And, and when we did that episode after we got done, I just had this right away. I was like, man, that was amazing. You know, that was one of the best episodes I’ve ever done. So I felt like it was just, it was kind of meant to be. It sounds like maybe we’ll see how the episode goes. Is that kind of how it’s feeling for you to get to like test the Chad (5m 54s): Waters? Yeah, it, well, and you gotta, You know, me like, You know, it’s, I’m looking at this media outlet type, You know, scenario in my business. And it’s always been through Dali’s and Dali’s such a great media guy and You know me, I’m no tech guy. Yep. Don’t pretend to be. And so I was sitting there looking at where my media outlet was gonna go. And the reality is, is the one thing I do not struggle with, Dave is talking. And so you’re good at it. It was such a perfect matchup with just where my capabilities or where I shine goes potentially, or just such a perfect fit and timing for me. Chad (6m 41s): And just such good response as well. Dave. Like I can’t tell you how many people after that last podcast week goes, oh man, you really hooked up with the right guys, the guys from Wetly killing it. Yeah. And just like every since I’ve been on it, I’m hearing just more and more and more about you guys. That’s every time I mention that name. Right. So like, it just feels very comfortable. It feels like things are gonna fit in. I’ve kind of picked the name I felt like would kinda be true to myself. And we’ll see. We’re going to go with CJ’s real Southern podcast. Chad (7m 22s): Yeah, Dave (7m 22s): That’s perfect. Chad (7m 23s): And that’s kinda what I’m gonna do. I hope I don’t get too redneck for everybody. No, I’m sure they can hear from my voice what part of the world I come from. So real southern makes a lot of sense. Dave (7m 39s): It does. It does. No, I think it’s perfect. Chad (7m 42s): And don’t get mad at me if all of a sudden we pop up and we’re talking about kitchen carpet out of a mud hole. Oh yeah. So just kinda be prepared. Dave (7m 51s): That’s what we’re looking forward to. I think that’s what’s cool about this is that I always find that the, You know, it’s the best podcasts really are just, You know, I think a conversation. You know, you’re just sitting there talking about fishing, You know, and You know, so you’re not gonna be necessarily the streamer guy all the time. You’re gonna cover everything, You know. And I love the, the CJ’s, You know, real southern podcast is perfect. So, so that’s great. I think we gave a big shout out there to that. So we’re gonna be working on that. And as this, I think the first episode you’re gonna do won’t be too far in the, in the future. That first one. And then you’re probably gonna do, I think one a month, something like that. You know, we’ll kind of be flexible, but, and you’re gonna have a mix of probably some guests and maybe even some solo episodes. But again, we wanna give a big shout out. I want to go back really quick to the Fly Shop and talk about, just main thing is like on the history, I wanna know how did that shop become such a big name? Dave (8m 39s): ’cause I feel like I’ve heard that name out there a lot. Maybe that goes back to the White River itself. Like how did the White River become such a destination? Were you, I mean, you’ve kind of been there to see this whole thing. Chad (8m 49s): Okay, so 19 years ago, I come up with some friends of mine, a cousin of mine and fished and ended up, I won’t go into, we told the story last time. Yeah. But I ended up getting a job at the Fly shop. Most everybody, when we got here, there were way more bait fishermen. Oh, there were. And guides. Then there were fly guides in fishermen, like 75, 80% bait fishermen. And this fly shop was started at a resort over here called Rim Shoals. And then they moved to town to a bigger place. Chad (9m 30s): And I come in contact with him, got up here, got started. And a gentleman, Alex L, which I’ll have on one of my episodes, come down and started doing some streamer fishing. Me and him got together on it. He taught me a little streamer fishing. I taught him the river. We started working on it. And as we started working on it, what we come to realize was that wintertime was a great time to fish our bigger streamers. And we began to come and work that season. As we began to come and work that season, we just started because of the trophy brown trout we were putting into the boat with a fly rod versus that a spinning rod or bait. Chad (10m 17s): We started getting loads of clout. And then here, I’ll drop back to the shop with Dally. At the point in time when we started catching those trophies, 24 to 30 inches on flies, dally come to us and said, if you and Alex will give me content Yep. Continue to gimme this content, I’ll make you famous. I remember him saying that. That’s awesome. And I was like, yeah, yeah. All right. Whatever Dally, we’ll keep giving you pictures and holy cow, like he did. Little did we know what Dally could do with that. Right. To be honest, the snowball started rolling. We started getting more clout. Chad (10m 58s): We started getting more guides moving to the area from out of town. Even the baked fishermen, they never went. They took off from October to March and now every one of ’em start working January. Well, all of that came place was because they seen us out there catching those fish during the winter. Yeah. It’s kind of a love hate thing. ’cause we brought a lot of pressure to the river when we brought a lot of clout to the river. Right. So where our fly fishing world boomed here and there was room for more guides and fly shops and all the things we love, also brought a little more crowded river. Chad (11m 42s): But that’s kinda when that river and us as the fly shops started gaining this notoriety. And because US guides were out of galley’s, dally actually wasn’t guiding at the time. At the time, galley was a hundred percent managing the shop and doing a phenomenal job. And he made sure that everything we’d done on the water was out there. And over the last 20, or I would say over the last 15 years, the river has totally changed. And now we are 50% fly fishermen and 50% bait fishermen. Chad (12m 27s): Yeah. Dave (12m 27s): 50 50. 50 Chad (12m 29s): 50. And it went from like, You know, 80 20. Dave (12m 32s): Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Chad (12m 33s): Over a matter of 15 years, we have begun to get some really nice regulations. Dave (12m 40s): Oh, okay. Chad (12m 41s): Due to the pressure, I think that the gaming fish has seen pressure coming in, began to make some changes to try to accommodate that pressure. You can’t keep a brown trout unless it’s over two foot. Dave (12m 56s): Oh, okay. Chad (12m 57s): And really the only people that are catching the fish over two foot are people that are going out with guides. Yep. And the people that are going out with guides, the guides, you’re making sure they throw ’em back even though they are over two foot. Dave (13m 11s): Yeah. Right. Chad (13m 12s): So I would say that barring your bank fishermen, like most of your browns on the white are being turned back. Now. They put a ruling restriction in place with the, with the rainbows, you can only keep one over 15 inches. And in other words, I guess what all I’m saying is the pressure has also brought some really nice regulations. It’s brought attention to the river, both in the law enforcement and by the fishermen themselves. So I think you’re just seeing the White River and this Ozark area mature as a trout fisher because 15 years ago that wasn’t a thing. Chad (13m 54s): Yeah. 20 years ago that wasn’t a thing. You tell people that you were going to trout fish in Arkansas and they looked at you like, right. Dave (14m 3s): Well, Chad (14m 3s): It was this mentality. Well why are you going down there to the trout parks instead of going to a real trout fishery? Dave (14m 10s): Right. And that tailwater Right. And the White River is a tailwater. Right. So it’s been a tailwater for quite a while. Right. Chad (14m 17s): It’s been a tailwater. Our downs were made in the fifties, early fifties. Yeah. It’s long, late fifties. And what you’re seeing though, as this Tailwater, so we’ve got a couple of unique things, and we’ve touched base on this once before, so I won’t go into detail, but just to touch base, You know Dave Whitlock? Oh Dave (14m 37s): Yeah. Chad (14m 38s): Yes. Okay. He planted virum boxes in this river from 1980 to 1990 with Bitterroot brown trout. Hmm. And so we have a naturally self sustaining population of brown trout. Those bitterroot brown trout are the strain that you’re seeing that’s being caught of these massive fish Dave (15m 3s): Now. Oh right. Chad (15m 5s): Okay. And so that, and the reason that that’s happened is because of Dave. Well, you’ve seen it mature over these last few years. Yeah. You know, when Dave first started doing it, we weren’t seeing the results because those fish had to get to that caliber and begin to reproduce. Wow. And so now you’re seeing 20 years later, or You know, 40 years later, 40, you’re seeing the results of that. Dave (15m 32s): Wow. That is so cool. Chad (15m 34s): And then the other part of the white that’s becoming, so we never fished it that way before. Right. We weren’t catching those big caliber fish because we weren’t doing it that way. And then over the last 40 years, our river is actually maturing Mr. Dave, is it? You know what I mean? No, in other words. Yeah. What is it doing? So to begin with, we had saddle bugs and scuds. And midges. Okay. That was your typical tail water Ozark. That’s what everything’s feeding on. You couldn’t walk into the river without walking out with your boots covered in scuds. Chad (16m 18s): And so bugs. Okay. A few years ago we had some Diddy mow, which is like this rock snot probably come in on somebody’s boots or what have you. And it actually killed a lot of our crustacean. Oh. We were really worried there for a period of time. Dave (16m 38s): So you had an evasive species that came in. When did that, when did you start hearing about that? Chad (16m 44s): I would say that that would’ve been in the like early 2000. Okay. Oh wait, no, that would’ve been 2010 to about 2016. Okay. And it’s really cool, there’s a lot of rivers across the pond that got that Diddy mo that it just took over the bottoms. Our saving grace was that we run this big generated power, so it would be low and that stuff would get a lot of sun and it would grow, grow, grow. But then they would cut on eight generators and it would just rip it off the bottom. Oh Dave (17m 23s): Wow. Chad (17m 24s): And so that was our saving grace. It never let that stuff root real well. And it ended up finally getting flushed out. Dave (17m 33s): No kidding. Chad (17m 34s): Yes. It was amazing. It ended up getting flushed out and I mean, we still see some here and there, but like just nothing with the, that we used to deal with. And so since that time over these last probably I would say 12 to 14 years, we have seen a prolific catis hatch come about that we did not have before. Well, that’s the river maturing. Those bugs are finally getting settled in and matured in. Huh. And then we started seeing sulfur and we would always have a few sulfur here and there, but now we’re having prolific hatches. Chad (18m 17s): Oh wow. Where they’re just hatching in your cup holders and and getting in your glasses. And so it is becoming a dry fly fishery. And we never had that before. And so now at some point through the day from basically April to September, I’m getting a fish, some sort of dryly through the day. Nice. I didn’t get to do that, but like 10 years ago, even 10 years ago, I didn’t get to do that. We didn’t have that many bugs that I could pull that up where, like you say, almost every day you can pull off something on a dry. Chad (18m 60s): And so it’s just really cool to see that river maturing. I think the river maturing, this is a long, long answer to your question, but I think the river maturing at the same time that us guys, me, Alex, Steve, Ben Love and Gabe love and all these different guys come in and started fishing at different Yep. All correlated at the same time with Dali’s Media. Yeah. Steals. And that’s the correlation of what you’ve seen Dali or how you’ve seen Dali’s blow up. It was a matter of a core three or four guys hitting the river at the exact right time with the exact right media guy for all of it to come to fruition. Chad (19m 51s): That is awesome. And that’s what made Dali’s blow up into what it was. 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I can’t help but think you, I, I just watched the movie, I can’t remember the name of, there’s this new Elvis movie that came out. It’s a really interesting take. I’ll put a link in the show notes of it. But what it covers is the background of the person who basically hit the me Elvis’ media guy. And he was this really kind, crazy guy who was in a lot of ways bad for Elvis, You know, but he was a very good producer and he got him, You know, basically got him to become the most famous person in the world. But I can’t help but think about Dally here is that he’s this media producer, You know, this great. So where does that come from him? Dave (21m 19s): Is he, do You know much about that? Is that something like he’s always had the production. Chad (21m 23s): I know a little. So You know, he’s from Australia. Dave (21m 28s): Okay. Wow. Chad (21m 30s): He’s an Aussie and he wrote, I don’t wanna get this wrong Sure. But I’m, I’m pretty confident here. I know this. He was a sports writer for a magazine over there. Oh wow. Okay. And he somehow got a gig over here. He’s also a photographer. He got a gig over here to come take pictures and do Right. For this magazine. Sure. And met his wife and ended up moving over and working at a shop up in Missouri for a while. Oh yeah. Where his wife was from. And then got hired by Mountain River Fly Shop where I was already working to come and be our media guy. Chad (22m 15s): And then he came to be our media guy started getting everything set up. Shortly after that in oh nine, we had that big downturn in the economy. The owner lost the shop, so on, so on, so on. Dally ends up getting a money man and buying the shop. There Dave (22m 37s): You go. Chad (22m 37s): And then it just, the rest is history all blew up and that’s the point it really started taking off. Dave (22m 43s): Right, right, right. And I’m sure you’re gonna have over time, this is what’s great about this podcast that you’re gonna be doing is I’m sure Steve, you might be on the show and you can talk more about the history. ’cause I, I really love the history. I think that for me, being an outsider and the cool thing about this is that we, I’m not gonna be an outsider anymore. Not only will we be working together, but I’m gonna be hitting the White River with you. And maybe let me just shed light on what we have going here with this trip because I think it’s pretty amazing is Yeah, we’re heading out to the White River and I’ve been thinking about this for a long time, but the cool thing is it’s a Project Heating Waters event. So we’re actually gonna be raising money for Project healing waters through this. So by having you on board and your team and stuff like that, it’s gonna basically, You know, again, promoting what we have going, which is helping, You know, wounded veterans, You know what I mean? Dave (23m 29s): Recover and stuff like that. So I’m excited about that. And you said you would be willing to help with this. So let’s start there with the trip. So those people, there are gonna be a couple people that are gonna win a trip here. And then we’re gonna be fishing. I think we, I, I can’t remember how many people, how many boats, but we’re gonna have some people on the water you’ll be guiding. Let’s talk about the timing. We’re thinking early September maybe for those people who might be there. What’s that look like? How is that different from say right now in the fishing? Chad (23m 56s): Yes. So the Y is so seasonal. I try to tell people to make sure they book for what they want to come and do. You know, so like right now is like the Super Bowl. We’re out throwing giant flies for very few fish. Yeah. Hunting for trophies. That’s gonna go on through the beginning of March. Dave (24m 18s): Beginning of, and right now, just for people listening, it is kind of Superbowl time, right. We’re kind of coming to the end of, end of January, early February. Chad (24m 25s): Oh yeah. We’re in streamer season late January, all through February the 1st of March. This is when You know you better enjoy just fishing. ’cause we do just a little catching. Yeah. But when we catch ’em, they’re gonna be nice. Like this is just the Super Bowl, right. This is where you go fishing all the time in hopes to catch a big one. Yeah. This is your opportunity to come for three days and, and really have the opportunity of putting that fish of your lifetime in the boat. But you’re not gonna come catch a bunch of fish. That’s what I sell this time of year. Chad (25m 5s): I don’t want people thinking they’re coming to catch a bunch of fish. We’re not gonna have some blowout day where we catch five over two foot or some crazy, like that’s not the way it works. Dave (25m 17s): What you might think on social media, right. That that happens. Right. Chad (25m 20s): Yeah. Well that’s ’cause all we ever show is our pictures of big fish. We don’t show you the three days before it where we didn’t catch anything. You know? And so I very much that time of year, I’ve had people go, Chad, are you trying to talk me out of coming? No. I just really want people to know what they’re coming for. Yeah. That it is the Super Bowl and it is a grind, but it is also your best shot and the best place you can go to try to put that fish of a lifetime in the boat. Dave (25m 52s): A big one. Why is, we talked about this probably on the last episode, but why is this time of year the best time to get one of those giants versus say, later in the year? Chad (26m 2s): Right. Well, it’s really funny. A lot of people think that the huge brown trout season for streamers would be fall because most areas of the country have a great fall bite where those people, those fish will go on a pres spawn bite before it gets cold and before they spawn. We don’t really have that major temperature change here that pushes those fish into a pres spawn bite. They pretty much get the feed year round here. And so the best time for us to try to catch those fish is pon when they come off. They have been protecting beds, they haven’t eaten in good in a while. Chad (26m 45s): They’re super aggressive to other fish because they’ve been running all these other fish off of their beds protecting their eggs. And so they’re just super aggressive that time of year and they put on the feed sacks before they go sit back down in their holes. So we just have a little different bite regarding that spawn bite. So we just wait until they get done with their spawn and then we catch ’em before they go back to their holes. Versus most people catch ’em on the early transition when they’re going from their holes to their spawning grounds. So we’re just in a little bit of a opposite play because of our temperatures. Chad (27m 25s): But then we will quickly after the streamer season’s over come April, may cata dry into May, June, early July, sulfur dries mixed with nip fishing in on the mornings and things like that. And then when you guys are coming, it’s kind of the, y’all will be here through the hopper season. So most of the time hopper season would be like June, July, August and September. And normally for hoppers, just like you guys, I would wanna bring you in early September. Chad (28m 6s): I’m not really gonna bring in any hopper guys any later than September. But we have chosen to put that in that time because one, we are doing a fundraiser, it’s this time of year is a little more fish and friendly. They’ll, there’ll be more numbers called. We’ll have a big mixed bag of rainbows, cutthroats, brown trout. You’ll kind of be targeting everything versus just going and targeting a big brown trout for the day. You will have those opportunities on all your low light situations where in the morning and in the evening, we’ll probably be focusing on hoppers for your dry fly fishing. Chad (28m 50s): And then through the day when the sun’s high and those fish don’t want to come up to my hopper, that’ll look like it could be drifting girdle bugs on, if the brown trout bite is strong, it could be drifting girdle bugs on the bank. And just because they won’t come up to a hopper, don’t mean they won’t eat a girdle bug. Yep. Fish tight to the bank just like you would fish a hopper. Or it may be, depending on the water flows, it may be jumping out on the current seams with a couple of bead head nmps, a dally still water jig down to a Midge that’s a may fly to a Midge. Chad (29m 30s): You may do a girdle bug to a Midge where you’re still in the game for a brown, but you got a Midge on that could catch a rainbow. And we just kinda will mix it up through the middle of the day just to keep some action going and then have ample opportunities on front end back in for Hoppers. And that will run till about the end of September and then October, November really look like I try to bring a lot of families that time of year. I try to bring a lot of beginners that time of year. It’s a great time just to come catch rainbows, maybe have a shot at the occasional brown. Chad (30m 11s): They have started moving at that time, but that’s more of a time of year. I try to do that program. So I have very specific programs for very specific people and just as they call, I try to fit ’em in the right places. And then I have a lot of guys that just call and go, I don’t care. Just take me fishing. Right. Dave (30m 31s): Take me fishing whenever. Chad (30m 32s): Right. So like we, we we’re able to just accommodate people per what they need. But that’s just kinda what the year looks like as we go into the podcast. Yep. I’ll be breaking that down more and more. The plan is, is to kinda have a 10 minute segment at each, on each one that’s kinda just letting You know what’s going on on the White River today. Yeah. Or this month. And so there’ll be a tag in there. So we’re gonna kinda work that out where we somewhat have our guests and do our podcast. But then I’m gonna give you a little 10 minute gig at the end on just what’s going on that month here in our waters. Chad (31m 12s): And so I’ll keep you guys up on that and kinda how we do that. But very excited about this program with these guys in September. This is, yeah. I don’t know if we can’t give back, what are we doing? Right, right. This is kinda what it’s all about. So it’s, it’s really cool that y’all have, that y’all reached out to these guys and that these are the kind of programs that y’all are trying to run. You know, we do a lot of conservation stuff, but giving back to our veterans, man that’s, it’s just kind of, it’s another step man. It is. It’s just, it’s a really, it’s very admirable. Well Dave (31m 51s): It’s cool and I want to give a shout to, to Stonefly Nets because Ethan is the really, the person that kinda kicked this off as we’ve been working together the last few years. But he really, we were thinking about this and You know, I think Project Healing Waters just came to the forefront for him. And, and I haven’t done anything specifically. We’ve done some Project Healing Waters episodes, but nothing like this. And the cool thing is, is that I think the, You know, who we’re working with there, AJ at Project Heating Waters, he’s really stoked and excited about this and things that can be like, this could be a really cool annual event, You know, if, if it works out well. So I feel like, You know, again, it’s kind of a good timing, good fit. And then we’re gonna be also, right. Have some opportunity at fishing. Do you think we’re also gonna have some opportunity at catching one of those 24 inches in early September? Chad (32m 36s): Okay. So on. I’ll give you a little short rundown. Yeah. This is kind of a generic, all right. So when we’re fishing those streamers, we’re catching fish anywhere. And this is a, the broadest spectrum I got, we’re catching anywhere from 20 inches to 30 inches Dave (32m 54s): And why? Oh, and it’s just size, right? Because you’re using the big five. So the little fish, they’re still there, the 15 inches, they can’t, it’s just too Chad (32m 60s): Big. We’re just kinda rolling them out. Yeah, yeah. We’re rolling them out with those bigger bug. Yeah. So that’s what is gonna give kind of a size rundown within, You know, within perimeter. So I’m looking at that caliber 20 inch to 30 inch and I mean, there’s been a couple over that caught, but that’s a, that’s a large target when you get over that 30. I’ve only had a couple caught outta my boat. Yep. Over 30. Geez. And then when we get into our cattle season, just basically April, may, I’m catching browns and from 17 inches to about 23 inches on those dries, 23 would be getting into a big one. Chad (33m 41s): And then if you got over that, that holy grail and then when I get on my sulfur into May, June and early July, that’s gonna be the same gig. I’m gonna catch ’em 17 to 23 inches with anything over that being a holy grail. And then when I get to my hopper girdle bug season that June, July, August, September, I can pull some bigger fish on those at times, at times I, You know, I can get ’em up to 25 inches on the hopper and I can get ’em up to 25 inches on a girdle bug. And I have seen some bigger ones caught on girdle bugs. Okay. Girdle bugs can catch some slipping sometimes. Chad (34m 22s): But yes, I have opportunity to catch fish up that two foot to 25 inches on a hopper. As a general rule, they’re gonna be 18 to that 23 inches. But you are more likely to catch a two footer on a hopper or a girdle bug than any of my other dries. Okay. They seem to be that caliber up to two foot that focuses on those smaller fourteens and 16 jars. And then I can get some of those bigger fish to eat a meatier, You know, that’s a, that hopper’s a little bigger meal, that girdle bug’s a little bigger meal and I can get up into that two foot class with those and then October, November, or generally, no, I’m not gonna catch anything of that caliber at that time of year. Chad (35m 10s): That’s, You know, I’m, I’m doing other things. That time of year, Dave (35m 15s): Pescador on the fly offers a full spectrum of fly fishing gear for any angler at any budget. By bringing high performance rods directly to the angler, they eliminate the middleman markups saving you time and money. The top tiered l ray series is designed for serious anglers with the L ray G six being the most packable high performance rod on the market. And most anglers who try the G six can’t believe it is a six piece rod. It performs just like a four piece. There’s no difference in performance. 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No. So y’all are gonna come to Arkansas and see a boat that you’ve never seen anywhere else. It’s literally made here in our hometown. The only like three or four companies that make ’em are all right here. It is known as a White river boat with a very unique story. So we have a fiberglass John boat that is four foot wide bottom that’s 20 foot six inches long with oars on them and a jet motor. Gosh. Chad (37m 13s): Yeah, I know. It sounds so crazy. Dave (37m 15s): It’s almost like a big canoe. Chad (37m 17s): Yeah. Like a river sled. It’s, the principle of it is, is like in super high water, your boat’s still big enough that it’s stable because we’ll get these big flows of like 26,000 CFS. Right. Wow. So you need a boat that’s big enough that’s stable and high water, yet we’ll get all the way down to 500 CFS where there’s rocks showing everywhere and you need to be able to get on plane and, and be able to float in skinny water. Well, with us having that much surface, the boat floats really high. And so it’s kind of the best of both worlds. Chad (37m 58s): So what we end up finding ourselves doing is jetting to where we’re gonna fish and then jumping on our oars and rowing through the section and You know, we need to cover water. So we’re a tailwater. We may be sitting in 5,000 CFS and I can’t get ’em to bite a streamer in that for anything. Well they just turned on 10 grand at the dam. Well I need to be able to run up and get on that 10 grand where my streamers work. Dave (38m 31s): Oh, Chad (38m 31s): Right. Well I can’t run upstream in a drift boat. Nope. Now mind you, there are some trips when the water’s steady. We all have drift boats. Dave (38m 41s): Oh you do? Chad (38m 42s): Yes. Yeah. And if the water’s steady and da da da da da, then yes you can carry your drift boat. Yeah. We carry our drift boat on all our, You know, that’s what we guide small mouth out of on our creeks. We got small mouth over here as well. And we do that out of drift boats and rafts. But on the big river, we’re generally in that jet boat. I was gonna tell you what’s really cool is back in the day, the way that boat originated was anything under 20 foot has to be coast guarded certified. Dave (39m 14s): Oh right. Chad (39m 16s): And to be Coast Guard certified means that you have to have enough flotation in it to float the boat. If it flips Well on a river, if your boat floats when it flips, then all it’s gonna do is beat and bang its way down river and tear your boat apart. Yep. We would rather it go to the bottom and sink and sit there and when the water goes back low, we’ll go get our boats. Oh wow. So we want ’em to sink and stick to the bottom. So we went 20 foot six inches to beat that Coast Guard rule. That’s Dave (39m 51s): Sweet. Chad (39m 52s): So we actually designed our boats where they would sink instead of float. Wow. And then when one sinks, we take a leaf blower with a big long hose on it and run the hose underneath the boat and start blowing air under it till the boat lifts up to the top. Then we flip ’em over and then pump the water out of ’em. Dave (40m 15s): No way. Chad (40m 16s): Oh yeah. Dude, it’s crazy to watch Dave (40m 19s): A leaf blower underwater. Chad (40m 20s): I’ve never flipped one, but I’ve had to get ’em out before. Dave (40m 23s): No kidding. Chad (40m 24s): Yeah. But it works man. And that way that’s like, You know, a drift boat flips, you see it going down river, nose up, anchor down and it just beats and bangs its way down river till it tears to pieces. Oh Dave (40m 39s): Yeah. Well and we’ve seen, You know, in the river that I’m at on the, You know, our home water, the Deschutes River has, You know, lots of white water and I’ve seen lots of boats, aluminum boats, wooden boats, like just tin can, once they flip and they lose the structural integrity, they’re just like squash, You know? Yes. But it’s amazing to hear these boats, which are basically fiberglass, don’t, like you said, they just sink and then they hold their structure. Chad (41m 1s): Yeah. And just suck to the bottom of the river and stay there until I can go back and get ’em. Dave (41m 7s): Wow. And then the motor, you probably what? Just yeah, flush it out and it’s a, is it a pump? Chad (41m 11s): Yeah, lots of ’em. Depends on how long you had to set and wait to get it out. But most of the time they can go in and flush ’em. Wow. And get ’em back going. Dave (41m 20s): How long have these boats been out there and do You know who actually invented, was there like one person that invented this? Chad (41m 27s): So Al, a guy by the name of Al Reinhardt started the first company making them, but I don’t want to get this wrong. Yeah. But I really think that one of the first original molds of that boat, a gentleman that worked at Champion Boats came up with it. Hmm. And then somehow down the road, a gentleman by the name of Al Reinhardt bought the mold from him and began making them, and then it changed hands and that guy made it bigger and it changed hands again. And that guy made it bigger and then it changed hands one more time and that guy has made it even bigger yet. Dave (42m 12s): Gotcha. What would you search on Google to look at the boat? What would be the name of, to see a picture? Chad (42m 18s): The name of the company is the or Dave (42m 19s): Or just the name of it? Crane. Yeah. Or like a boat like you would have out there. What would be a name Chad (42m 22s): We could, right. Well you’d have to look up this company name because they’re the ones that built it. Okay. Remember I was saying it’s only built here in the Ozarks. In other words, I can’t just tell you like Dave (42m 33s): Yeah. Type Right. Chad (42m 35s): It’s, well the type is, it’s a white riverboat. Yeah. Dave (42m 37s): It’s white Chad (42m 37s): Riverboat. And so like, So what you would actually look up and if you start typing in River Skiff and all that, all kinds of other things pop up. So just look up the name of the boat. They’re great guys. It’s, the name of the company is called Supreme and Shawnee Dave (42m 53s): Supreme and what? Chad (42m 55s): Shawnee. Okay. And that’s the boat company name. And if you look that up, you’ll see the kind of boats we run. Dave (43m 2s): Oh yeah. Shawnee. Yeah. S-H-A-W-N-E-E. Yeah. Oh wow. Okay. Now I’m seeing it. So, and do you guys have, I’m seeing one now here that’s popping up Riverboats Supreme and Shawnee Boats and it’s a, it’s got a, a platform, like a polling platform. Chad (43m 16s): Yeah. So we don’t have polling platforms on ours for the river, however, we put polling platforms on ’em and we take ’em down to the coast and catch a bunch of big red fish out of them. Dave (43m 29s): There you Chad (43m 30s): Go. As long as You know. Now I can’t go out to the islands like the barrier islands and all, but we go fish that Louisiana flat marsh and all we go, I’ve been fishing them out of that boat for 20 years. Dave (43m 43s): It’s so cool. I see it now. It’s exactly what it is. I’m looking at this Shawnee boat. I mean it is a, yeah, like you said, it’s like a jambo mixed with a, a jet sled mixed with, You know, kind of a drift boat, a skiff, Chad (43m 56s): A drift boat. It’s even got a backdrop anchor on it. See that anchor off the front Dave (44m 1s): Deck? Oh yeah. Oh, it’s got an anchor on the front. Right, right, right. Chad (44m 4s): So it’s considered, if you get that, if you get the anchor and you get the oars, that’s just the drift boat package. Dave (44m 11s): That’s the drift boat package. Right, right, right. Wow, I’m glad we got into this. ’cause I, I’m a big, You know, big boats is I love boat talking boats and we, Chad (44m 20s): Okay, well check this out. Yeah. So what you’ll see when you come is all of your bait fishermen are gonna have that same boat with a prop motor on it. Oh. And they are gonna run their motor all day long. Huh? They’re gonna run up and then they’re gonna kick it in reverse and add an angle and they’re gonna start drifting backwards and controlling their boat. Oh yeah. With their motor running while they’re catching fish. Dave (44m 49s): Yeah. Back trolling. Like what are they running like spinners and spoons and stuff like that? Chad (44m 54s): Spinners? Nah, they’re running a lot of these guys up here. Dude. They’re fishing Dave (44m 58s): Bait bait. So like what would be ba like eggs and stuff? Chad (45m 1s): Minnows minow straw dads. Oh yeah, worms. That is the one thing, like we’re in Arkansas, baby Dave (45m 9s): Bait is good. Chad (45m 10s): That part has not changed. Dave (45m 12s): Bait’s not going away anytime soon. Chad (45m 14s): Has not going away anytime soon. Yeah. And then you’re gonna see all of your fly guides are all gonna have a jet boat with a rowing package. Oh right. Because we’re gonna jet to where we’re going and we can get in skinnier water with our jets and we’re gonna go run to those skinny places and then row row our guys back through ’em. So that’s why we go with jets so we can get to all that skinny shoal water and still row our guys through it. So there’s really two different setups for the same river, but we’re both using the same boat. Just set up two different ways. Chad (45m 54s): Yeah. Wow. Very unique to our river. Dave (45m 56s): It is. No, this is really cool. And I could see why, You know, obviously it wouldn’t work everywhere because it’s the narrowness, right. There’s probably some disadvantage of having such a narrow boat, which is what you lose room inside. What would be another disadvantage of having the narrow forefoot? Chad (46m 10s): Why? Well, but you gotta figure it’s a four foot wide bottom, not beam. Dave (46m 15s): Oh right. Just the bottom. So it’s wider, Chad (46m 17s): The bottom’s four foot and then we actually make one that’s a foot bigger if you want the bigger boat. And so you can get one that’s five foot bottom. So heck, it’s actually, you figure when you get four or five foot and it’s 20 foot six inches long. I mean my fishermen are in a boat together standing 15 foot apart. Dave (46m 40s): Is it pretty stable? Chad (46m 41s): Oh dude, that’s the whole principle of it. The way I normally explain it to people is like it’s got enough surface that it floats high in skinny water and it’s got enough surface that it’s stable in high water. Right, Dave (46m 55s): Right. Chad (46m 56s): Dude, I mean, guys are walking around my boat and it’s barely tipping. Dave (47m 0s): I wonder why people, maybe they are. Maybe. Maybe it’s, but why I’m sure these could probably be used in other areas around the country. Right. I mean like a Stillwater boat. Chad (47m 9s): So in 2009, the boy that bought that company came to me and made me an offer I couldn’t refuse and I left the fly shop and went to work for him for a year. Huh. Dave (47m 22s): Wow. Chad (47m 22s): As his salesman. Dave (47m 23s): No kidding. Chad (47m 24s): And I was taking that boat all over the place and I would pull into places out in Tennessee and Georgia and all over these places and I’d pull up with that boat and they’d go, why in the world would I want a 20 foot fiberglass john boat? And I’d try to explain it to ’em and they weren’t having it. Right. Dave (47m 46s): The 20 foot is a big boat. Right. Versus say a like a skiff, which are pretty, which you do see out there, right? Or not, maybe not in your area. Yes. But the 16 foot of the, Chad (47m 54s): I see some of ’em. Yep. Yeah, Dave (47m 55s): You see some of this, the 16 foot skiff is probably a little more manageable when you’re floating. When you’re rowing. I, I’d guess maybe it’s easier to get down a river, You know, Chad (48m 4s): It is easier to turn these boats. We say you don’t row ’em, you steer ’em, Dave (48m 9s): You steer ’em. Right. It’s more like those, those giant rack, well maybe not, this is a good comparison, but some of those gear boats on the middle fork of the salmon, which are just keep ’em straight. Chad (48m 18s): Yes, that’s right. You just kinda steer those things down. You ain’t just like rowing and back rowing and holding them in a little Eddie or nothing. Dave (48m 27s): No, you’re not doing that. You’re anchoring, you’re finding a spot in anchoring up and like fishing. Chad (48m 31s): It’s a tank. Dave (48m 32s): Yeah, it’s a tank. That’s Chad (48m 33s): Really cool. Somewhat. Yeah. Dave (48m 34s): I got That’s pretty awesome that you had a, a sales gig there for a little Chad (48m 37s): Bit. Oh dude, I tell one quick little gig. Yeah. So I have the owner at the time, he goes, all right Chad, I got this boy over on the kaney fort that says if we can take him from his house to the dam that we can sell as many of these boat, he can sell as many of these boats as we want. They need a boat over on that tail water. He goes, meet me over there, bring me a boat. And so I loaded up a boat and met him over there and he goes, well when we get there I’m going to drive him up to that dam ’cause Chad, I’m going to get him up there. I don’t care if I tear up the boat, I’m going to get him up there. And I was like, all right, I’ll bring you a boat. Yeah. So we get over there and he had never seen that candy fort before and he looked at it and he went, Chad, You know, you weigh a little less than I do, you might oughta run it, you Dave (49m 26s): Better take Chad (49m 26s): It. But she started realizing that it was, this was fixing to be a chore. Well if I’m being honest here, dude, I don’t, I had just went to boat for that work for that company and I had been rowing a drift boat. Dave (49m 38s): Oh, it was new to you too. Chad (49m 40s): I didn’t know how to run that jet boat like that. I mean I had run it a bunch, but not like that. Dave (49m 46s): Not through like technical water. Chad (49m 48s): Yes. And so he looked at me and he goes, Chad, I don’t care if you tear it up, but you better not let off that gas till you get your nose to the dam. And I was like, all right dude. And I took off in this thing. Oh man, David. Really? And I was puckered the whole way. I’m running through all this stuff. I’m running through five inches of water. Oh Dave (50m 12s): Wow. And are there obstacles? Are there rocks and shallow bars and stuff? Oh Chad (50m 16s): Dude, there’s rocks, there’s gravel bars. Oh wow. Yeah, there’s logs. Like and dude, I am, if I let off, you’re Dave (50m 24s): Done. Chad (50m 24s): I’m just stuck because I mean, we’re in nothing water. Right. And so like, I burned about a mile up this river and geez, I idle down in this pool and I go, Hey man, so where’s this skinny water that you brought us up here to test? Dave (50m 43s): No way. Like this was nothing. Chad (50m 44s): And then he literally turned around to me, I’d never met him before in my life. And he turned around to me and he goes, you little SOB, You know, we just went through a bunch of that water and I was like, now are you telling me that you brought me all the way from Arkansas just to see if my boat would go through that? Well that ain’t even a test for this boat. Yeah. This and this boy goes, Of course at this time I’m trying to sell ’em. Right, right. And he goes, well I tell you what, Chad, over here by this island, there’s a place even the canoes have to drag through. And I was like, now that sounds like a test. And at this point I’m going, oh god, money you keep your mouth shut. Right. Chad (51m 24s): You had him, why’d you say a word? Yep. And I take off over this place and I try to get up it and I, I bought ’em out. I don’t make it, it’s on gravel. And I bought ’em out. Yeah. And I start backing up and I realize it’s two inches deeper to the right little bitty channel. And I back up about 50 yards and I, he thought I was turning around and I take back off again and he goes, whatcha doing? Whatcha doing? And I seen his butt clench into that seat and I whipped up around that island where those canoes come through and I got to the other side and smiled real big and idled down. And he goes, okay, take me back to the house. Chad (52m 6s): We don’t have to go the rest of the way to the dam if it’ll make that, wow. It’ll make any of it. Dave (52m 13s): No kidding. And Chad (52m 14s): I don’t wanna ride with you no more. Dave (52m 16s): So you made it. Chad (52m 16s): I made it. And he bought five of them and I went home and told my boss. Wow. I was like, dude, at some point me and you gotta go on a ride. You have no idea what your boat will do. Dave (52m 28s): No kidding. Chad (52m 30s): So that was like one of my first experiences like running that kinda crazy water in the jet boat or whatever. But as soon as we got ’em over there and those guys realized what they could do with them, they bought a ton of them. Dave (52m 43s): They did. Chad (52m 44s): But it was just a matter of guys like really realizing what those boats could do. Dave (52m 49s): Right. Like putting ’em to the the, the test. Right. That’s what you did. Chad (52m 52s): Yeah. Not telling them, showing them, showing ’em. And then we actually started making some money, but they’re just, they’re really nice boats. They’re just really different. Dave (53m 0s): Yeah. Well this is good Chad. Well I think You know like all these, and I think this is the way I hope you, the podcast series that you’re doing will go is that you start talking and then You know, you get on one topic and I love it. You know, you just go deep in it and I think that this is what I enjoy. So before we get outta here, let’s just do a couple little wrap ups here on everything. Okay. So, You know, like we said, it’s kind of January, February now, so it’s streamer season. We’re gonna be looking at hitting kind of that early September. Anything else you want to give a shout out to? You know, what’s kind of new for you coming up here? Anything with phishing you wanna before we get outta here in a little bit? Chad (53m 33s): Yeah, well one super stoked about the new podcast. Yeah, I think it’s gonna be a lot of fun. Can’t wait to make chat with you guys and bring you guys some information. Hopefully everybody enjoys it. Another thing is I just want everybody out there right now, everybody’s a little confused about what’s going on with the shop and all. Just know like, just call my service. All you’ve gotta do is call CJ’s White River Outfitter. Dave (54m 4s): Right? So nothing’s changed with you. I mean the shop is closed, Chad (54m 7s): My website’s up and going. The shop has no affiliation with my business. My business is still running like it always has. I have no ties in that manner with the shop. And so if you were used to booking with a shop and now you’re wondering where to go, just give me a ring. We’re running the same services. And then I would also like to throw one little plug out. My buddy Morgan Guss at Diamond State Fly Shop is a new fly shop that’s opened up down the road. He was actually one of our managers at one point and when he seen the shop starting to go, he went and opened a new one. Chad (54m 51s): We’re gonna be happy to send our guys over there. Leaders tip it Rods reels, everything you would need, he’d be able to accommodate you. So we’re gonna be using him as a resource guy. So we still have a fly shop for you guys to pick your things up at. So yeah, things are gonna look just a little different, but guys, we still have everything going that we did before. You’ll just be calling a different phone number. Dave (55m 14s): That’s so good. And I’m glad you said that because I was kind of thinking about that. The Fly Shop Friday, our little segment of what other fly shops are in the area. So you, you answered that one. So, so that’s good. And then like we said, the cool thing is, is that, You know, typically we would be signing off and we wouldn’t be hearing from you for maybe, You know, a while years. But now we’re actually gonna have some episodes with you coming up. Maybe give a heads up on that. What do you feel like your early episodes are gonna look like on this as far as who might be on the show? Can you give us some little, without giving away too many secrets? Chad (55m 44s): Yeah, so I am going to, so I know for me a lot of guys want to hear about the streamers. Yeah. Everything I’ve got going on there and we will guys, we’re gonna be talking streamers, we’re gonna be, but what we are gonna do is we’re gonna be talking about targeting trophy fish more than we are just streamers. There’s many ways that we catch those trophy fish and there’s so many customers and people out there that want trophy fish that may not enjoy throwing streamers and they are not limited to streamers aren’t the only way that we catch these nice fish. Chad (56m 25s): And so we’re gonna be talking a lot about that. We’re gonna have on some Musky guest, we’re gonna have on some small mouth guest, we’re gonna have on some streamer guest, we are gonna kinda touch base on trophy hunting as a whole. We’re gonna do a monthly episode. There will be a 10 minute, I don’t wanna call it a fishing report. Yeah. Because, right. So else may else, may or may not tell you what rock to stand on. Sure. But I’m just gonna kinda give a 10 minute, maybe even opener on just what’s going on in the area, in the Ozark area, what’s hot, whatever, maybe what fishery just to hit that month. Chad (57m 9s): Just gonna give a quick 10 minute. If you’re in the Ozarks this month, this is what you ought to try. We’re gonna do that. We’re gonna try to be somewhat more than just a feel good two guys chatting. We are somewhat just like yourself, gonna be somewhat informative. We’re gonna be working with some conservation guys, some different things. But we’re gonna try to be informative and bring you guys some things you can actually use on the water and or know what waters you need to travel to and what guide services you can use there. And then we’ll bring in that pro to talk to you about that. So we’re gonna do some guests, I’ll do some here with a couple of local guys. Chad (57m 54s): Probably have on the Buffalo River Boys, Alex Que, we’ve got some surprise guests for you guys. I don’t wanna let too many cats out of the bag on guests. Dave (58m 6s): Don’t let too much out. Chad (58m 8s): Yeah. Yeah. But dude, I’m excited about it. Think I got some things for you guys and like just kinda ready to get started. I’ll have the opening one up by next month. All right, good. And we’ll get started and we’ll kind of go off some feedback too, guys, as y’all give us feedback. You know, the end podcast could change and look different depending on what kind of feedback we’re getting. So you guys don’t be like, be involved. Right? Hit us back up, let us know what you’re thinking. Dave (58m 39s): Yeah. Where’s the best place if somebody’s listening to the podcast this year and they want to like ask you a question or give you feedback on it, how can they get in touch with you? Chad (58m 49s): So emails are gonna be the best for any questions. Dave (58m 54s): Yep. For questions. Okay. Chad (58m 56s): And then for any bookings, there’s actually a booking number on there. Oh, Dave (59m 2s): There’s a phone number. Okay. Chad (59m 4s): And just to put out there guys, I mean you guys with shops, you guys with different things you have going on, if y’all are interested in me or any of my guys coming and doing like tying classes, casting events, don’t be afraid to reach out. That can be done by email as well. Dave (59m 26s): So you’re doing some of this, so some of the stuff you’re gonna cover are not, the topics won’t just be for White River, it, it could apply to other areas around the country. Chad (59m 34s): Oh no, it definitely will. Yeah. I’m going to, so several of my guests will be from certain destination places, and so those are gonna be destination places that we’re gonna talk about as you go. So like when I have Alex, we’ll talk some about the White River, but we’ll also talk about small mouth fishing, musky fishing on the Great Lakes, You know, well some of my other guests, Montana, well we’ll talk about the must to hits over there in that area. And then there’ll be the 10 minute clip on the Ozarks. I’m gonna be able to cover most of what I got going on in the Ozarks with my 10 minute clips at the beginning. Chad (1h 0m 16s): And so most of the fishing will be on other places other than the couple of episodes that I just do myself. And so yes, this will be the where to and how to hunt trophies across the us. Dave (1h 0m 31s): Perfect. And right now, as we’re gonna be kicking this off, we’re looking at CJ’s real Southern podcast as the title and that that can be flexible, You know, but I think that sounds amazing to me. And then like we said, CJ’s white river outfitter.com is the best place to kind of track you down there. And yeah, Chad, I’m, I’m really excited about this because for everything we talked about, so I think we can leave it there today and just get fired up for this first episode coming up here. And yeah, I just wanna thank you for all your time today and definitely, like I said, I’m just as excited to jump into this. So thanks again. Chad (1h 1m 4s): Yeah, David, this is just great time and I think it’s gonna line up really well. I think we’re gonna have a lot of fun and the more we can do for our veterans and that type thing, as far as I’m concerned, the better off we are for it. And I just really like the whole program, man. I’m excited to be a part of it. And I just reiterate one more time. Yeah, you guys let, let us know what you’re enjoying out there. Like feedback is good because end episodes could change depending on what you guys are giving back to us. So just, You know, don’t be afraid to put in your 2 cents. Love Dave (1h 1m 40s): It. All right, Chad, we’ll be in touch. Chad (1h 1m 42s): All right Dave, thank you. Dave (1h 1m 45s): Okay, You know what your call to action is right now. Check in with Chad and let him know you are excited about the new podcast we talked about here. Checking in with him and let him know you heard this episode and make sure you subscribe because if you subscribe you will get that upcoming episode with Chad. The new podcast will be delivered right into your inbox. You don’t wanna miss that. So subscribe on whatever app you’re on and make sure you are ready to roll. Alright, a couple updates before we get outta here. We’ve got that next episode. Coming up here is gonna be Gunner Bramer that’s going live on Wednesday this week. Don’t miss that. Gunner is another big streamer guy and he has a different take on everything as well. So you don’t wanna miss Gunner. It’s one of our best episodes ever, the first one he did. So we’re excited about this one as well. Dave (1h 2m 26s): We also have a coho clinic. If you are interested and you’re on the West Coast and you wanna learn about fishing for coho, we’re gonna be up in Washington state with Waters West if you’re interested. Waters West Outfitters Waters West. We’re gonna be doing this Coho clinic style. So check in with me dave@wetlyswing.com if you have any questions or wanna get more information on that. And, and I’m gonna get outta here. I hope you enjoyed this one. I’m glad you stick around to the very end and I hope you have a great afternoon. Hope you have a fantastic evening or if it’s morning, I hope you have a great morning. I hope it’s, it’s gonna be a good day for you. We’ll talk to you soon.