The first fight I saw my dad get into while fishing blew my mind as a 9 year old kid. I will never forget the moment that he pulled off his watch and his teeth as he approached the dude.
I knew this was going to be more than a conversation at that point. This was my introduction to improper fly fishing etiquette.
We were driving up to the fishing pool just upstream about ½ a mile from camp. We passed this dude who was walking up the road to pick up his shuttle vehicle a few miles up river. As we drove by him, he was cussing my dad out.
Here’s what happened – He had asked my dad back at camp if he could have a ride. My dad said no and left it at that.
Shortly after passing the dude along the road, we turned into the pull out at our pool. My dad said wait here and started to walk towards the dude who was on the main gravel road.
This brings us back to the point where my dad was taking his teeth out.
I slowly followed so I could see what was going on.
My dad stopped the guy in his tracks and told him he was way out of line. He was even tapping this dude on his chest and telling him where he stood. The dude said “you tap me one more time and I’ll knock your block off.”
My dad proceeded to tap him again – Then the dude took a big swing and missed on a glancing blow. They both ended up on the ground in a mix of gravel, dirt and spit. Or in the mud, the blood and the beer – As the great Johnny Cash would put it.
Just at that moment, by brother came up the same road with his buddy. Chris thought my dad was having a heart attack and this dude was doing CPR or something. When he realized it was a fight, chris got out and pulled the guy off.
The dude said “oh, you want a piece of me, too?”
After the guy took a swing and missed -Chris clocked him with a left handed round house he wasn’t expecting.
The dude dropped to the ground with this one shot! I stood there on the side of the road – stunned.
I’ve never been a fighter. I’m not sure what it is, but have never been interested. My dad on the other hand was brought up in a different time. A time when you fought for your fishing water – literally. So, this was not that out of the ordinary for my old man.
I hope this gets you thinking about fly fishing etiquette and what is acceptable etiquette on the river. I will explain a little about steelhead fishing etiquette so you know what to expect next time you are on the river.
Swinging flies for steelhead is a little different than many techniques because you are fishing long runs at times. Sometimes on remote rivers and sometimes in combat fishing areas. Next time you arrive at your run and some dude is bearing down on you, I want you to feel comfortable knowing what the proper etiquette is on the river.
A Steelhead Run
This size of the area you are fishing will determine your bubble. It’s kind of like the bubble that’s around all of us when we talk to someone else. You feel a little weird when someone is a little too close and pushing on your bubble. You know, that “close talker” type of person. Remember the seinefeld episode on the close talker?
We don’t want to be that person on the river. You should understand the water that person is fishing and give them plenty of room. How much is plenty of room? Well, that depends. Wherever possible, let that person hae the whole run. If it’s busy, you might have to share the run. Here’s a few things to think about.
Where to start in determining your distances? Typically when swinging flies, you might be casting up to 80’ so that’s a start. You can start by doubling that number to give us 160’. That feels a little better, right….. but is that enough room? Let’s answer that with the next section.
Fish Behind – Not In front
If you are going to fish near another fisherman, the best etiquette is to ask them if you can fish behind them. That way they get the first crack at the good water. You should still give them plenty of room.
Figure out how long you will be casting at the maximum distance and double it. Stay away at least that distance. Then as the guy in front works down, stay with his speed or a little slower if nobody is behind you.
It pays to give that person plenty of room so the run settles a bit before you come through anyways. This is the great things about steelhead fishing. The guy in front may not have covered the water or missed one little spot that you can key on and pick up fish.
Ask a Stranger
What about when you come up to a steelhead run and nobody is fishing but there is a camp right in the middle of the run. The best thing to do here is to stop in the camp and ask the people if they mind if you fish through the run. By far, the majority of fisherman will be happy to say yes and watch you fish through.
Just ask first and you should be good. The majority of scuffles I have been around on the river developed because some dude just jumped in the run without even saying hi.
Stepping In Downstream
Stepping in downstream of someone is usually a no no, unless you are on a section that is super busy and you are jumping in well below the person above you.
If you are going to jump in front of someone, be sure to give them a lot of room if you can’t ask them for permission. All rivers are different and a crowded river in the NE is different from swinging flies on a large west coast river. So, you have to figure out the specifics of that water body depending on the amount of fishing pressure.
In some situations, combat fishing is to be expected and you should be aware of this going into it. But, when you are on a river with lots of room, there’s no reason to jump in front of someone just because it’s your favorite run.
Listen to Jack Mitchell in episode 002 of the the Wet Fly Swing Fly Fishing Podcast at the 30:00 minute mark to see what Jack notes as the best way to determine how fast to step through a run.
Better said – keep moving. There is this guy I see every year that comes in with his gear and sits on the money hole as fly fisherman have to step out, get on the bank and walk around this guy. You know who you are, backwards hat dude. Not Cool G.
With swinging flies for steelhead, you should keep moving. Just use that steady step-cast-swing and step process. Here’s how you do it.
I’ve been on sections of river that were super busy. I know what it’s like. It kind of sucks but is the way it is. You have to understand what’s going on around you and keep up with the pace. If you want to do your own thing, find a section of water where there isn’t 10 people waiting for you to fish.
The Fly Fishing Etiquette #1 Rule
And, drum roll please……. don’t forget about the golden rule. How would you like it if somebody jumped in 40 feet downstream of you? Yeah, I’d be pissed too. And this type of thing is what might put me in that mindset where my dad was at 30 years ago.
When you find yourself in that place eventually when you are the person that is cut-off by a newbie, take the time to explain to them how they were wrong. Don’t be an ass, but try to educate that newbie.
Remember to talk to the other fisherman and check in before you drop into a run. Once you get in, just keep up with a normal swinging pace. And if all else fails, just remember that rule from childhood and you’ll be golden. Ha, I couldn’t resist on that one.
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Great post, Dave, especially for those of us a little newer on the river. I have a crazy question: is there etiquette for watching another angler? I’m a woman, and we are in the minority. I feel conspicuous anyway. But I like to watch other, better anglers cast and fish … I just don’t want to make them feel uncomfortable. Or like I want to steal their water!
This is a great question. On an etiquette side, there is nothing wrong with watching other fishermen. Or do I say fishers or fisher people? Maybe you can respond on your end for what sounds best from a woman’s perspective? Back to your question though – The best thing to do is to communicate with that person so they know what you’re doing.
If someone came behind me and started watching, I might make a point to ask them if they wanted to fish behind me. It’s good to at least start that dialogue then you can get on the same page.
If you can’t talk to them, I still would feel ok if I was the one viewing the person. I might just sit down and make them aware that I’m just taking a break and not pressuring them to get through the run.
Well written, Dave and since then I’ve always adopted a wise old saying, “Discretion is the better part of valor.” Dad
I like it. I think the point of the story resonated with a lot of people. There are some serious people out there but fishing should be about fun and relaxing.
During an enjoyable 40 years of flyfishing for steelhead in Oregon and Washington, I only found the last three or four years to be forgettable. Instead of casting and moving, the bobber crowd now comes in and sets up in the middle of a drift and makes 500 casts until the float goes down, and a fish has hooked itself. Land fish, and repeat process. Pathetic at best.
I hear what you’re saying and have experienced it plenty. I think there are some rivers and runs within those rivers that are set by the majority of fisherman. If you are around a bunch of swing fisherman that are working through, you might want to find another place to nymph fish if it’s going to mess up the experience for everyone else.
If on the other hand, there are a bunch of nymph fisherman on a run and you want to swing….Maybe it makes more sense to find another run. It’s tough when things get busy on the river and I understand that. One of the reasons where talking to some people might go a long ways. It’s not going to get easier but if people are educated we can still make it work.
Well, unfortunately it isn’t that easy. On any piece of water there are “best” sites, and, if your paying attention, it shouldn’t take one too long to figure out where the fish hang out. If your alone on a run, why not skip the first 50 yards and give the set of rocks or a nice slot, which usually holds fish, a working over, and then maybe skip some more to the next fish-holding spot. So, while I would like to swing through a particular location, the bobber folks would like to stand on it for the same reason. And, they could be there all day, so I lose. It used to be that several folks could rotate through the hot spot any number of times. Often, no more.
In the late ’90s Oregon tried to protect the North Umpqua from Portland and Eugene fly shops bringing bobbers to the storied fly fishing stretch of that river. No artificial flotation (bobbers) and no weighted flies that could just “skilllessly” drag the bottom all day. I moved away in 2000 so I have no idea if these rules still apply. The aim was to preserve the cast and move idea.
The North still holds those regulations and I’ll be down there next month to get an update on how things are going. There is no one size fits all for this discussion and any given situation may be a little different. If there’s one bucket to fish in a run and someone is posting up on it, I would say something to that person. At least get a conversation started. Find out how long they plan to fish the water? Let them know there are others that are going to be fishing through and it would be helpful if they weren’t sitting on the run the entire day.
This does two things – It gets a conversation going, which usually helps, and lets that person know that they are being called out. It gets them thinking a little more about it and likely will change the way they do things. There’s always exceptions, but I know that when I have done this, there have been plenty of times where that person took a break and let me swing down through the run.
There’s always going to be jerks out there, no question about that. But, I think the majority of fisherman are pretty good about this stuff. I would love to hear from others in super busy areas and how they deal with it. How about the east coast steelhead streams? Or across the pond for atlantic salmon?
Nice post Dave. I know etiquette has always been a big philosophical point of discussion on all the steelhead trips we’ve taken together. Especially in the busy sections where you have dudes crawling all over the banks looking to jump into “your” run. I agree entirely with the idea of striking up a conversation. Almost every time we’ve done this, we’ve ended up working out good plans to share the water to everyone’s benefits…almost every time…You do find a huge difference between expectations among the different gear types. Flyfishers have a different set of etiquette rules than gear-heads. That puts us at odds at times. And backwards hat dude is a great example. Hogs the money hole while flyfishers upstream get frustrated. But guess what? I actually went over an talked with him last year. He said he’d gladly move out of the way and let someone swing flies through–if they asked. He said so many people are afraid of confrontation that nobody approaches him. Maybe there are too few Doug’s around that are not afraid to “strike” up a conversation?
Nice work on making the effort to make a connection. That’s great to hear and a little inspiration for the rest of us.
I used to regularly fish the River Spey—early May for spring runners. When the permit was purchased the rules were quite clear.–cast then move 3 yards or thereabouts. And always enter above another fisherman but leave a reasonable distance on the beat Simple and polite But never sit or stand still on a pool Always move and allow the next guy or dame entry
On one occasion an Englishman refused to leave a well known pool He did when my fishing companion -not a small fellow- made it clear that it was a case of move or swim !!!
Thanks for checking in Roy. I think people sometimes need to be notified of the unwritten rules of the river.
Great read. I’m not a fighter either. It’s not worth it, but I recently had an encounter with a disrespectful angler when I was filming on the stream. Check it out: https://troutstrike.com/what-happened-to-fly-fishing-etiquette/