I had Barney Wong on the show to go in depth on spey lines and the challenge of identifying the actual sinking rates.  We discussed an experiment we conducted on the river and how the outcome might surprise you.

Barney tells his story of how he dropped everything to move out to the northwest to chase steelhead and a job in a local fly shop.


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Show Notes with Barney Wong

10:54 – RIO’s AFS line and Barney’s experience with the sinking rate.  Simon Gawesworth from RIO Products was on the podcast and talked about their spey lines and new products in episode 9.

13:55 – Weight compensated spey lines will help to create all spey lines equal.

15:15 – Experiment on sinking rates of 6 weight vs 10 weight and how they are not created equal.

16:50 – The parachute jumper analogy and how this applies to issues with sinking rate and starving your line.

19:40 – The T series lines are the closest we have to accurate designations for lines.

25:50 – Tim Rawlins episode and the shop that will send you new lines to test at no cost.

27:05 – RIO’s In Touch Scandi line and Barney’s take on how the line weight got pushed to the back to help casting but affects sinking.

27:40 – Rear end centric lines and how you are robbing peter to pay paul.

30:25 – What line Barney gives his students when getting started with the spey cast.

31:25 – The biggest fault that Barney sees with his students and what he saw as one of my main problems as well – Combining parts of the cast is a big issue.

40:00 – Barney explains what Pimp my Canoe is all about.


45:15 – Kevin Feenstra and Pete Humphries were both on the podcast and both from Michigan.

49:05 – Noel Perkins from University of Michigan also had data on spey lines

49:25 – Bruce Richards and the cast analyzer app that measures your cast.

51:35 – The Bantom Green Butt is Barney’s goto.  He also finds flies on the trees and uses those patterns.

55:30 – 10 inch fly that mimics Michigan smolts.

57:15 – Dec Hogan clarifies the Intruder and why dumb bell eyes in episode 20.

59:45 – Cracking the code to distance casting and what over the center is all about in the process.


You can reach out to Barney at AWholeNuthaLevel.com.


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This is a photo from PimpYourCanoe.com, Barney’s site where he develops products for canoes.


I wanted to give a big thank you to Barney for coming on the show and sharing his spey line wisdom.  If you have any questions please send me a message or leave a comment below.

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