920 | Loop Tackle’s Wild Fish, Wild Places: Fly Fishing Travel and Conservation with Emilie Björkman and Ted Logart

00;00;02;00 – 00;00;30;26 Dave What happens when you take fly fishing from your home water and start chasing it across the world? Different water, different species, different cultures. But the same passion shows up everywhere. Today we’re sitting down with Emily Bjorkman and Ted Lockhart from Loop to talk about Wild Fish Wild Places, a global series that’s all about traveling to some incredible places to fish, meeting the people who live it every day, identifying important conservation issues and seeing how fly fishing connects it all together. 00;00;30;28 – 00;00;51;02 Dave This is the Wet fly Swing podcast. Right. Show you the best places to travel to for fly fishing, how to find the best resources and tools to prepare for that big trip and what you can do to give back to the fish species we all love. Emily Bjorkman and Ted Lugard are here and say they’re going to take us behind the scenes of wild fish, wild places and and how they put it all together. 00;00;51;22 – 00;01;14;07 Dave We’re going to find out why the same fly fishing culture shows up everywhere, whether you’re in Sweden or in Montana. We’re going to find out how they choose locations and how this evolved over time and what they saw on the ground in Montana, Sweden, Iceland, some of the other amazing places they’ve traveled around the planet and want to find out how they’re shifting this as they approach their next season. 00;01;14;18 – 00;01;28;10 Dave All right. Let’s jump into it. Here we go. Emily Bjorkman and Ted log out. You can find them at loop tackle dot com and find this series on YouTube. Wild fish, Wild places. Here we go. How are you both doing? 00;01;28;23 – 00;01;39;26 Emilie We’re good. Really good. The spring finally start to come here in Sweden as well. So this fly fishing season is getting closer for sure. 00;01;40;01 – 00;01;44;08 Ted Yeah, it’s one long winter behind us now, so it’s all good. 00;01;44;19 – 00;02;02;17 Dave Good. Yeah. We’re getting close, right? We’re heading out for Atlantic salmon, too, this year for the first time for me. We’re not heading to Sweden, although that’s on my bucket list. And we’ve done some podcast episodes in that area. Should I know? I know how unique Sweden is. It’s. It’s. There’s a lot of some good public water we’ve heard and all that over there. 00;02;02;17 – 00;02;27;00 Dave So but today we’re going to really focus on the show that you both put together. Wild fish, wild places. Folks can find that on YouTube. Emily, you’re obviously a star of this. Emily Bjorkman here. We’re going to talk about kind of how this all came to be and get into what the the focus is. I know conservation is a big part of, you know, everything we do, but maybe we can start with the Ted, maybe we start with you. 00;02;27;00 – 00;02;33;01 Dave What is your connection to wild fish Wild Places? When did this program in loop? When did this connection start for you? 00;02;33;16 – 00;03;04;28 Ted Well, I think it started when well, to go back, me and Emily has been doing TV shows and YouTube films for like six years and when the when Emily got hired by Buy Loop, and as I got into it, she was she was about to do some YouTube series. And she came to me with with the idea. And yeah, we kind of put the concept together and yeah, that’s basically that’s it. 00;03;05;04 – 00;03;14;18 Dave And so, Emily, it sounds like you, you are part of the vision of this. What was your first vision of this wild fish, wild places, and what were you trying to achieve here? 00;03;14;29 – 00;03;46;13 Emilie Oh, good question. I mean, I think if you go back because me, instead of being working together for over six years and doing similar production, I’m trying to I mean, we love to be out by the river and fishing for salmon. And like, we also want to some kind protect our lifestyle. And like we did a film with Colin and, and the salmon runs started to decline and we felt, okay, we need to do something. 00;03;46;13 – 00;04;18;06 Emilie What can we do? Well, we do a film and on that road it just continued. And me and Ted really, really like to do more. We’d like to fish, but we also want to highlight the places and the fish and how you can protect it and how you can inspire and you know everything around it so my daughters can fish for them too, you know, and be by the river and connect with nature. 00;04;18;06 – 00;04;28;10 Emilie So I think it’s a big passion for me and the lifestyle that I was really happy that I could bring into work, if that makes sense. 00;04;28;23 – 00;04;49;00 Dave Yeah, it does. And you able to travel around right when these I think there’s six of these shows that are out there maybe describe that it’s not only Atlantic salmon, right. Or what was the focus on species Did you have from the beginning did you know because there’s you know, we do a lot of travel episodes all around the world and there’s, you know, hundreds, thousands of places. 00;04;49;00 – 00;04;52;08 Dave How did you pick those first, you know, those first shows where to go. 00;04;52;23 – 00;04;56;19 Emilie Oh, do you go first? 00;04;56;19 – 00;05;26;16 Ted Yeah. But I totally agree, Dave, that it’s there’s so many places that that you can go. And I think it kind of the show is just we’re kind of organic in the beginning I mean a little bit was of course you know, rooted in some kind of marketing strategy for the brand, but also where we wanted wanted to go and where we felt like that we could hook up with great people to be able to tell some kind of story from from that place. 00;05;26;16 – 00;05;53;29 Ted And I think that’s to go back to what Emily was talking a little bit earlier. I think it’s we are really, you know, interested in in the lifestyle and the people and especially the people who have kind of devoted their their life to fly fishing in one way or or another. So I think that’s kind of, you know, what sets the direction for for where we go and what we do in a sense. 00;05;53;29 – 00;06;10;14 Ted And you know, all that that small talk we love the small talk that just happens along the river when everybody forgets about there’s a camera there and and I just, you know, I just love it when it when we get into that. So, yeah. 00;06;11;02 – 00;06;27;07 Dave This is a good now I think the great thing is, is that we have, you know, these videos that we’re kind of prime and everybody to understand what this is about. And they can go over right now and watch these. Right. And I think the first one was, was Montana the first in the series or maybe describe that the places that you travel to. 00;06;27;19 – 00;06;37;27 Ted Yeah, Montana was the first that was got released. But we filmed the Patagonia first, right, Emily That’s how it went. Yeah. 00;06;38;07 – 00;06;48;26 Emilie Yes, Yes, it was Patagonia first. Yeah. Then was Montana. Iceland, Sweden, Canada, New Zealand, New Zealand. 00;06;48;26 – 00;07;07;28 Dave Wow. Yeah. You got the whole the whole world covered. This is cool. And maybe take it to Montana since that one you know, obviously, that’s probably the closest for us, you know, to where we’re, we’re at, you know. But what was the maybe give us kind of high level 30,000 foot of that Montana show? What was the conservation focus? 00;07;07;28 – 00;07;10;16 Dave What was the species you’re you’re chasing there? 00;07;10;28 – 00;08;02;21 Emilie Mm. I mean Montana first some say like the fly fishing vibe in Montana just arriving to Missoula and it feels like everyone is talking the fly fishing language there. You can really feel that the fly fishing vibe. I just I just loved it. It was so nice to just be there and like Montana and also Sweden. The bugs is important for the hatches and we have talked with some researcher in Sweden that talk about the cleaning of the bugs and we understand that is happening in Montana as well or everywhere, I guess with the world changing so that was something we wanted to highlight in that film episode about the bugs and also just like 00;08;03;09 – 00;08;24;16 Emilie feel the fine fishing vibe in Montana. What do you fish for the the cutthroat and the brown trout and yeah, just get into that vibe really. And that was super awesome. And meeting all the really super cool people like Simon Shoe and Carly and you know that also live and breathe, fly fishing. 00;08;24;28 – 00;08;46;12 Ted Do you remember when we were sitting out on the bench outside of one of the fly shops and Craig and all the guys were just rigging up with, you know, getting the boats and they were just, you know, talking probably, you know, rubbish against each other. And but, you know. Yes. And we just we were just stunned. We all it was so cool. 00;08;46;12 – 00;08;54;23 Ted Yeah. Sitting there listening to, to that talk. It was just mesmerizing. I think we would have been sitting there staring. We just had the chance. 00;08;55;14 – 00;08;59;03 Dave That’s cool. Yeah, just the, just the. Yeah, yeah. Just on the back of the tailgate. 00;08;59;03 – 00;09;11;20 Emilie Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We really. Oh, that was so awesome. And it’s like in Craig. It’s. Is it three or four fly shop in that little village? Yeah. That’s so cool. 00;09;11;20 – 00;09;19;09 Dave Yeah, exactly. Yeah, a little tiny town. It’s got whatever however many fly shops and. And it’s the Missouri, right. You’re right there on the Missouri River. The big. 00;09;19;10 – 00;09;19;23 Emilie Yeah. 00;09;19;25 – 00;09;32;03 Dave The big mo. So and that’s cool because we’re actually going to be heading there this year too. We have a dry fly school we’re doing with on the Mark Lodge. So we’re excited. I haven’t fished the big the Missouri yet, but it’s it’s pretty amazing so. 00;09;32;11 – 00;09;32;25 Emilie Yeah. 00;09;32;25 – 00;09;51;25 Dave And yeah so that’s and then what was the the focus so did you maybe break down that the conservation piece did you talk to some local groups because I know recently we had the salmon fly project founders on and they talked about what they’re doing. They’re just like you said, they’re collecting aquatic invertebrates so they can document what we currently have and see, you know, what’s changing. 00;09;52;08 – 00;10;02;16 Dave But how was that? How did that fit into the piece on that Montana show? Did you talk to like biologists or entomologists or the guides or how did you touch on that piece? 00;10;02;28 – 00;10;42;07 Ted Yeah, Do you remember? I mean, I think we were in contact with the Salmon Fly project and but unfortunately, something we didn’t manage to fit in a visit with them. So that kind of made us reverse engineer the whole stuff. So and since the bug situation is kind of universal, basically all over, then we did the interview with kind of the Swedish Authority on, on, on Bugs Man, and he asked, yeah, refer to the situation in in in the U.S. as well. 00;10;42;23 – 00;11;05;14 Ted So and that’s have been a little bit of how we have worked with with the scientists other episode as well. When we were in Canada we were we were talking to our boss, the guest of Helstrom, which is kind of the he is kind of a superstar when it comes to monitoring migratory fish. So he goes all over, but he’s Swedish. 00;11;05;14 – 00;11;31;29 Ted So we talked to salmon problems with with him and I saw Norsk which is a Norwegian authority on, on Atlantic salmon. So since it’s I mean fly fishing is of course super local. But, but the problems are often in kind of a global context as well. So it’s it gets kind of relatable for for people all over in a way. 00;11;31;29 – 00;11;38;16 Ted So that’s I was about to say nice. It’s not nice when it’s a problem, but it’s it’s kind of I think it’s, you. 00;11;38;16 – 00;11;39;22 Dave Know, you can understand it. 00;11;40;00 – 00;11;53;08 Emilie MM Yeah. Yeah. And, and we met up also with the trout, the Limited in Missoula. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. Looking at their work they are doing and yeah, that was awesome. 00;11;53;17 – 00;12;14;10 Dave Okay. I know Maggie Human has been involved in that. She’s been doing some of the animals. We had her on the podcast as well, and so we’ll put some links out in the show notes to some of those episodes so people can get a little background on that. But I’m interested in the the Swedish entomologist or the person you talked to is that can we find that in the Montana show or is it the one on Sweden? 00;12;14;29 – 00;12;39;06 Ted No, it’s actually in the Montana show. I think it’s about six, 6 minutes in to get to it. So, yeah, kind of bridge is from when we were fishing the the Blackwater and the guides were talking about the decline of insects. And then we kind of reached over to this mountain, the mountain village in Sweden, and they’re having it’s the same. 00;12;40;05 – 00;12;41;20 Ted Yeah. Similar situation. 00;12;42;00 – 00;12;53;08 Dave Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. And, and maybe just give us a heads up on the places. So where do you travel? You mentioned before at the start it was New Zealand, Montana, Sweden and Canada. What were the other two. 00;12;53;24 – 00;12;57;18 Emilie In Argentina and Iceland. 00;12;57;25 – 00;13;01;09 Dave Iceland. Okay. And that’s there’s a series of six shows. 00;13;01;21 – 00;13;09;15 Emilie Yeah. And so that was the first season and now we are all producing the second. Oh, nice. Yeah. 00;13;09;26 – 00;13;12;08 Dave Yeah. When is the second season going to go out? 00;13;13;04 – 00;13;38;29 Emilie Well, it’s, it’s, it’s a never ending story so we just continue. So we have tried to release one episode each month, so we just continue. We released a New Zealand one in now in January and no sorry, February and we just came home from Italy, the Dolomites and that one we going to release now in April. Oh, wow, cool. 00;13;39;14 – 00;13;50;28 Dave And this is good. Okay, So these are this is going to continue the series is going to continue. You’re going to be traveling. What do you think is the what has been the biggest challenge of putting this series together? Have there been any road bumps along the way? 00;13;51;12 – 00;13;51;29 Emilie Oh, my. 00;13;51;29 – 00;13;53;29 Ted God. Finally, we’re getting into this. 00;13;54;06 – 00;13;54;21 Emilie There we go. 00;13;54;23 – 00;13;56;01 Dave Yeah, goes. The stories are. 00;13;56;01 – 00;14;01;05 Emilie Going to come out now. Yeah. Ted, knock yourself out. Yeah. 00;14;01;05 – 00;14;10;27 Ted Yeah. I think I’m going to do the disclaimer already because it’s I, I have a tendency to turn into some kind of a victim one when it comes to how hard it is to. 00;14;11;22 – 00;14;14;27 Dave Yeah, I could do fly fishing. Fly fishing on film right, Right. 00;14;15;00 – 00;14;42;08 Ted Yeah. No, no. But I mean of course it’s a, it’s a huge privilege to to be able to do this, but it is also a lot of hard work. And I think the definitely the biggest challenge with doing this, you know, six episodes in kind of ten months is the time. It’s a time limit. And when we have done similar projects in the past, me and Emily, we have done it on in our home waters, you know, in the northern part of Sweden. 00;14;42;08 – 00;14;59;23 Ted So then you have the chance you can always come back. I mean, if something happens, you can always come back two weeks later and try to grab the shots that you that you didn’t get the you can hunt down the people that you really would like to talk to. But I mean, this is Iceland. I think we did it like three and a half or four days. 00;14;59;24 – 00;15;26;20 Ted New Zealand was longer. Of course, it’s such a long travel, but so you really need to get all the bits for the story that you that you want to tell. 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Maybe take us to the who’s there on the scene. So you sounds like you both are kind of producing this. Who’s involved in the production and and putting this together. We haven’t talked a ton about loop, but maybe I would like to hear about that too. The connection to Loop, because we know we’ve I’ve known about them most of my life and I know all the great work they’re doing, But give us a heads up of like who, who’s involved in the production and how loop fits into this. 00;17;20;16 – 00;17;21;26 Ted Oh, maybe you’re going. 00;17;23;17 – 00;17;24;18 Emilie To go and. 00;17;25;11 – 00;17;35;11 Dave I know I don’t have to. You have to name all all the names, but, you know, just kind of I’m curious, is this just you two out there with one camera person or is this, you know, a bigger production sort of thing? 00;17;36;01 – 00;18;05;16 Emilie Yeah. So it’s a two man band. They’ve so it’s me and Ted before we go somewhere, we do the research, we try to connect with the people and build a story and what do we want to tell and the conservation around it and just find the places before and then we go. When we go there, we are so happy and I am so thankful. 00;18;05;16 – 00;18;48;15 Emilie I mean, we all the people we have been fishing and working with, they put all in their all effort into this and they also want to do this really good. And that means like 1,000% for us because it’s only me and Ted out there. So it’s so we are so depending on the people we are fishing with and when we go out there, we have a script that meathead right before we the we try to do scenes, but you know, fishing is fishing and everything happens and but so we have something to lean back on and just so we have like a beginning, a middle and an end and tend to all like a camera 00;18;48;15 – 00;19;17;16 Emilie guy out there. And I am trying to be a host and to write help to do a portrait of the person we’re fishing with. So yeah, it’s it’s us and it is you. Yeah. And, and so we work a lot. Well, we were out, so just making sure like Ted say so we have everything with us. We like go through the scripts during the nights, like what do we have to capture tomorrow? 00;19;17;16 – 00;19;32;01 Emilie And you know, so it’s, it’s a fishing is fishing and working with it’s like and it’s really fun, but it’s also a little bit stressful because it’s only like, yeah, also things we want to. 00;19;32;01 – 00;19;32;24 Dave Do at the time. 00;19;33;08 – 00;19;45;22 Emilie Yeah, exactly. And when we come home we collect all pieces and Ted do all the edits and so then we are going to one episode and. Yeah. Oh, traveling again. Yeah. 00;19;46;08 – 00;19;47;16 Dave Yeah. Oh wow. 00;19;47;25 – 00;20;08;14 Ted Yeah. But it’s, I mean I, I think to them is saying that I’m doing dead in the sense that I am the one, you know, pushing the buttons. But, but the editing part is something that we both are very involved in. We are, you know, doing the, the selects and the assembly cuts and the dailies and everything basically together. 00;20;09;07 – 00;20;31;15 Ted And I think what in the beginning we were so, you know, keen on trying to get to do a, you know, kind of documentary style to it. And when we say that we write the script, we, we definitely write the script, but we don’t really, you know, it’s, it’s more like we outline scenes, what we think that the scene could be about. 00;20;31;15 – 00;21;02;13 Ted And then we try to it’s basically like Emily decides on what she’s going to talk to the talent about, and then it’s, you know, up to me to try and capture it when when she starts talking. Because that can happened basically any time since. We really want it to feel as natural as possible and to be, you know, the camera as little as possible involved in what’s what’s happening. 00;21;02;13 – 00;21;12;00 Ted And of course, that’s always a tradeoff because sometimes you you just need things to to make the story cohesive in in a way. 00;21;12;00 – 00;21;14;24 Emilie So yeah. Wow. Yeah, of course. 00;21;14;24 – 00;21;15;14 Dave That’s amazing. 00;21;15;23 – 00;21;41;13 Emilie And of course, I mean, before we do like the year plan, we sit down with the, the people, the marketing crew on loop and just discussing and so it connect with the brand and feels right for the brand. So we we are aligned with that also. So they are highly involved also of course. Yeah. 00;21;41;13 – 00;22;07;11 Ted And on on some productions we also have brand manager Allie Parkin. Yes, Yes. Who is helping out a lot and he’s, he, he’s, he’s definitely a decent camera guy as well. So when we get, you know, into some hectic situation, he can take up the camera and get us a different angle as well. And that’s, I mean that’s super helpful in editing to, to get the angles. 00;22;07;11 – 00;22;12;23 Ted I think that’s that the most important part of getting angles. Yeah. 00;22;13;00 – 00;22;33;28 Dave Yeah. No, it’s amazing. I mean, I’ve, I’ve watched some of them and the camera, the videography is really beautiful. You know, it’s, it’s, yeah, it looks, you know, unique and you’ve definitely the angles and everything you’ve got looks is really cool. So I’m excited to watch the rest of them. But yeah. So and then talk about loop a little bit because I know we know loop very well. 00;22;33;28 – 00;22;43;25 Dave I feel like I’m always thinking, you know, loop obviously where it’s from over you know, in Sweden there now is loop. Is it headquartered in Sweden. Is that, is that the headquarters? 00;22;44;09 – 00;22;49;10 Emilie Good question. I mean, so Loop started in Sweden in the eighties. 00;22;49;10 – 00;22;50;02 Dave Yeah, in the eighties. 00;22;50;10 – 00;23;10;20 Emilie Yeah. But now we are spread all over the world. So my closest boss is in the UK and in Scotland and the brand manager is sitting in Scotland and then I have a few in Stockholm. So yeah, just all over the world now. Yeah, all over. Okay. 00;23;11;06 – 00;23;14;28 Dave Like I said, my, my dad had a little fly shop when I was a kid and. 00;23;14;28 – 00;23;15;22 Emilie Oh wow. 00;23;15;28 – 00;23;31;24 Dave Yeah. And I remember in the because I’m old enough to remember, I remember we had loop that was a brand that we had in there and that was my I’ve always remember that. I think we had some. Yeah, but I didn’t know it. I didn’t know it very well. And so now I’m kind of now full circle though with the podcast, I’ve learned a lot more about it. 00;23;31;24 – 00;23;43;07 Dave But what do you think is the focus of Loop, it sounds like, on these episodes? Did you use loop rods? Was that kind of the part of that they cover of kind of a little bit of everything trout fishing, salmon, steelhead, everything? 00;23;43;16 – 00;24;33;01 Emilie Yeah, Yeah, exactly. So they have the whole range for all the fishing gear in rods and in reels and in clothing these days. So yeah, they, they got it all. And loop loop have always like a brand have always been like correct method if I’m wrong like innovative and trying to like the technical side fishing gear and nowadays bringing in much more conservation into the brand which is awesome and really like the ethos around like a respect for the fish and the rivers and wild places and that inspires to loops products in a way, and with our Syria. 00;24;33;25 – 00;24;35;06 Emilie So yeah. 00;24;35;19 – 00;25;06;28 Ted Yeah. So yeah, I think it’s just so, so cool. I think for both me and Emily too to have, you know, to work with that loop as a brand is putting all this, you know, effort into both conservation and to, you know, storytelling and bringing and trying to bring storytelling to to the fly fishing community. And, and I mean, that sweet growing up loop was kind of, you know, the coolest thing that you could did You could have. 00;25;06;28 – 00;25;10;27 Dave Yeah loops huge right? Right. And it doesn’t get any bigger than that, right? 00;25;10;28 – 00;25;20;02 Ted No, no. And especially not in in Sweden in you know, the midnight. So I think it’s kind of a national treasure of Sweden in in that sense. 00;25;20;02 – 00;25;36;25 Dave Yeah. It is in the mid-nineties. Is that one. Because that’s when I actually remember it. I’m old enough to remember that the mid-nineties was I think that’s when we first got loop into the fly shop in our shop. Right. So I feel like. So I mean, Loop’s been around the U.S. for a long time, right? This is not they’re not new to the game. 00;25;37;09 – 00;25;53;06 Dave Is that something do you feel like loop sounds like you cover everything but you know, obviously Atlantic salmon, you know, that’s a species that’s this iconic species around the world. Do you feel like that was the first thing they did really well with Loop or did you guys kind of remember those and you focus on that, right? Yeah, Yeah. 00;25;53;11 – 00;26;14;08 Ted Canada Yeah, I mean, correct me if I’m wrong, I’m I mean, as a brand, I think and when you go back to the, you know, mid-nineties when, when I got into to fly fishing or early nineties I think it was, you know, the underhand cost and the Gordon Anderson cutting up lines and I mean that that was the way that we Yeah. 00;26;14;13 – 00;26;37;16 Ted That I got introduced to, to salmon fishing. So I think they’ve been have a huge impact on on the way that people you know salmon fish all over the world and then it’s the large harbor really of course that’s I don’t think I understood that you know the technical aspects of it, but I mean it just looked so, so cool. 00;26;37;16 – 00;26;52;26 Ted So you just wanted it. I think it was easy as as that. So, yeah, I think it’s I think it’s kind of an honor to, to, you know, be in this this context. No one. 00;26;52;26 – 00;26;53;03 Dave Right. 00;26;53;04 – 00;26;56;10 Ted You’re producing you know, have that heritage. Yeah. 00;26;56;10 – 00;27;00;13 Dave Yeah. Is that the same for you, Emily, What is your connection on loop with you? 00;27;00;14 – 00;27;19;00 Emilie Yeah, I mean, 100% like Ted’s a loop coming from Sweden being the cool brand that you always looked up to and working hundred percent. We look today. Yeah, it’s. It’s hard work and so awesome to put it in words. 00;27;19;14 – 00;27;23;01 Dave That’s cool. We mentioned the Canada so where did you go exactly? In Canada. 00;27;23;28 – 00;27;30;19 Emilie So we finished in the river hunt. Sorry, Dave Hunt River. Maybe they say. 00;27;30;21 – 00;27;31;22 Dave Oh, Hunt River. Okay. 00;27;31;23 – 00;27;32;22 Emilie Hunt River. Yeah. 00;27;33;21 – 00;27;35;24 Dave And this is for Atlantic salmon. 00;27;35;24 – 00;27;46;19 Emilie Mm hmm. Yeah. That was the first time I dry fly fished for some, because here in Sweden, we’re swinging flies. And so that was super cool. 00;27;46;20 – 00;28;01;16 Dave He dry fly. That’s what we’re going to be hopefully doing too. And it’s interesting because I know we’ve had we didn’t have so a Telfer Brown over here and we talked to Atlantic salmon He was heading up there in that part of the eastern Canada and I know he talked about this one trip where he had the greatest or no, he had the worst. 00;28;01;16 – 00;28;19;10 Dave He got skunked, literally. They were on this two week adventure, you know, into the famous waters of eastern Canada. And they got skunked. But then the next year they came back and they had their best trip ever. So I feel like there’s these right back and forth. What was it like for you? Was it challenging to find find those, you know, those Atlantic salmon out there on the trip? 00;28;19;20 – 00;28;25;05 Emilie No. I mean, I know they didn’t have anything to cover above the four of them. So this is the trip. 00;28;25;05 – 00;28;27;15 Dave So you had a good trip yet, or at least fishing wise? It was. 00;28;27;15 – 00;28;51;16 Emilie Easy. Easier. Oh, yeah, but I. I have to say, it took a while until I understand that kind of technique and fishing, you know, to present that dry fly and, and everything. So I was fishing and I have only Balderson in the pool next to me. And I saw him catch a fish of the fish and, and I didn’t catch a thing. 00;28;51;26 – 00;29;20;24 Emilie So it took a while and then saw plenty of salmon in that pool. But. Oh, you did? Yeah. It was awesome. And so when I got like a little understanding for it, how with we were fishing, all kind of different place. But when I started fishing with the numbers and presenting them and seeing that salmon coming up in slow motion, just like a trout for a drive like that was insane. 00;29;21;14 – 00;29;29;22 Emilie So, so cool. Yeah. So the fish that we had for once, we really had some good fishing were there. He did, yeah. 00;29;30;05 – 00;29;44;22 Dave And so you had the dry flies, which you don’t. There’s not a lot of places in the world you can get good action like that. But other than the dry flies, it was the fishing. If you compare it to Sweden, how similar was what you’re doing there in Canada versus what you do in Sweden for Atlantics? 00;29;45;07 – 00;29;48;02 Ted Well, I think it differs a lot. I mean, a lot. 00;29;48;12 – 00;29;48;29 Emilie Yeah. Yeah. 00;29;49;18 – 00;30;23;05 Ted To fish a bummer or a dry in Sweden is is very rare and we swing for for salmon and it’s it’s big rods It’s almost always, you know, double handed especially, I mean at least if you’re in the beginning of the season and and I think also I mean there’s so much fewer fish in that that the official on the other hand I think that maybe you are the Swedish salmon is you know can be at least a little bit bigger. 00;30;23;12 – 00;30;47;05 Ted I mean a 100 centimeter salmon in Sweden, isn’t it’s I mean, it’s a huge fish, but it’s nothing. It doesn’t normal. Exactly. And I mean, you can get up to 120 and then people are like, oh, okay, that’s a so I think it’s that there’s a fewer fewer but maybe bigger. But I think that, yes, the way that your system is is completely different. 00;30;47;20 – 00;30;47;28 Emilie Yeah. 00;30;48;08 – 00;31;08;19 Dave Gotcha. And just for the transition for those that don’t have the centimeters, two inches. So yeah. 120. Oh we’re sorry. Almost 58 knots. Right. 50 inches. We should know this by now. We should have this down. But I still, I still struggle with it and then 100 is like 40. So you’re basically talking a 100 centimeters is like a 40 inch fish, which is giant. 00;31;08;29 – 00;31;21;05 Dave But then 120 is almost 50 inches, which is super giant. Yeah. So we’re talking pound wise, maybe these are the fish. What would that 120 fish be. 20 centimeter fish. How many pounds roughly would that be. 00;31;21;14 – 00;31;26;14 Emilie The one you caught, Ted. 120. How, what did that weight. 00;31;27;06 – 00;31;29;23 Ted That weigh that 18.5, I think. 00;31;30;02 – 00;31;30;22 Dave 18.5. 00;31;31;26 – 00;31;32;21 Ted Kilo. Yeah. 00;31;32;25 – 00;31;33;26 Dave Kilos. Yeah, exactly. 00;31;33;26 – 00;31;35;21 Emilie Yeah. Yep. Perfect. 00;31;36;22 – 00;31;38;10 Dave So I’ll do that really quick. 00;31;38;11 – 00;31;39;06 Emilie They are huge. 00;31;39;09 – 00;31;55;08 Dave Yeah. So. Right. Yeah. So. Okay, so 40 to £40 and bigger. Okay. So that gives it just a rough and that’s the thing with Canada is that they maybe they’re not quite as big, but there’s a lot more fish it sounds like, in that area. What was the conservation focus there? Did you talk did you keep it high level? 00;31;55;08 – 00;32;05;26 Dave I know we’ve had conversations about, just like you said, the worldwide, you know, kind of changes in populations. Did you focus on that area of Canada or did you talk look more broadly? 00;32;06;08 – 00;32;36;14 Ted I think, yeah, if I’m not mistaken, we kind of went to when we got the opportunity to to visit Labrador and the Hunt, we kind of went there with the you know, with the idea that that was supposed to be what the Salmon River could look like in 2025. You know, that’s a healthy river when, you know, not so super affected by all the negative stuff that are affecting Atlantic salmon and so many other places. 00;32;36;17 – 00;33;00;09 Ted So so that was kind of the role model. And then we we went to to Sweden and to Norway and to we did a stop in Iceland. Yes. Because we had made a show in Iceland earlier and talked about the problems that, you know, obviously Norway has a huge problem with with the fish farming industry. 00;33;00;13 – 00;33;01;11 Dave The fish farming, Yeah. 00;33;01;14 – 00;33;09;04 Ted Being so, so massive and with the lice, you know, killing off a lot. A lot of. Yeah. 00;33;09;04 – 00;33;11;09 Emilie Yeah. Diseases and stuff like that. 00;33;11;29 – 00;33;29;26 Ted Yeah. And then Sweden also have seen a huge decline that the lost and we don’t have fish farming but, but somehow the fish is the rods are declining the last ten years pretty dramatically and especially within the recent to two years. 00;33;30;18 – 00;33;36;25 Dave I feel like Iceland and eastern Canada, the two places that people still or that maybe the strongholds. 00;33;36;25 – 00;34;03;08 Ted Yeah, exactly. And as as we we got it in Iceland. This is more like you know they are seeing a growth of of their fish farms in Iceland and it’s more like what the potential harm could be. And that is see that, you know, they escapist of from the farm that can be, you know, devastating for a small populace, small river with a small salmon population. 00;34;04;22 – 00;34;10;16 Ted And then of course we have this the global warming, the climate change, right? 00;34;10;16 – 00;34;11;11 Dave Yeah. And the climate change that. 00;34;11;28 – 00;34;16;16 Ted That effects there. Yeah everywhere with Yeah. 00;34;16;20 – 00;34;22;09 Dave So then temperatures. Yeah. Well that we don’t exactly know right exactly what’s going on but there’s changes. 00;34;22;24 – 00;34;29;00 Ted Yeah. So something is affecting the well everything but the salmon in, in in this case. 00;34;29;00 – 00;34;45;22 Dave Yeah that’s right. And did you talk about I think that’s the species in the U.S. that is has similar declines is steelhead. You know there’s a lot of similarities between steelhead. In fact, when I first started steelhead fishing, I was reading books that were written for Atlantic salmon, you know, and there’s a lot of ocean because we fish for it’s interesting. 00;34;45;22 – 00;35;01;21 Dave And here we have to kind of we have winter steelhead in summer steelhead and winter storm or those cold water fish that they’re they’re down deeper. You got to get to them. But some are steelhead. I mean, you can fish and they come up to the surface like for a fly. And so they’re more similar, I think, to Atlantic Atlantic salmon. 00;35;01;21 – 00;35;06;00 Dave Right. And some of those places you’ve probably heard of them, you know, the Dean River, the Deschutes. 00;35;06;09 – 00;35;06;20 Emilie Places. 00;35;06;20 – 00;35;21;03 Dave Where they have summers. Right. The fish that go away in. But I think it’s we see similar declines. I mean, it’s happening right now, the ups and downs and we’re kind of like, okay, what’s going on? You know, how do we make a difference? What do you think is the big thing when you look at that? How do people listening, how can they help? 00;35;21;16 – 00;35;30;03 Dave You know, I know that watching the videos is good because. You kind of get knowledgeable about what’s going on. But what would you tell somebody if they feel like they’re kind of stuck, like there’s nothing they can do? What would you tell them? 00;35;30;18 – 00;35;57;18 Emilie I mean, it’s difficult to do it all, but everyone can do something. So I guess just connect with your local fishermen. Like like you mentioned. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And management that you have in your area, what to, like, connect on on your home waters and what you can do there. I think that’s a good start. Yep. 00;35;57;29 – 00;36;13;27 Dave So connect to the local groups and they’re, they’re likely have people on staff that know what’s going on and you can maybe do some volunteer work, you know, river cleanups, you know, I know in Missouri you did you’re on the we talked about the Missouri at the start. We’re working on it. We’re doing a big river cleanup this year and doing stuff. 00;36;14;11 – 00;36;33;07 Dave Right. And I feel like that’s kind of a cool way to get people involved in education. Right. Just to realize, you know, maybe it’s not going to save the salmon or the fish necessarily, you know, in one shot. But it’s it’s getting more people out on the water to understand there is a problem. I think some people. Do you feel like that in Sweden, you know, that some people don’t even realize there’s a problem? 00;36;33;21 – 00;37;07;00 Emilie Absolutely. I mean, when my mom saw the episode we did in Sweden where we were talking about dams and how like building dams and how big trout population in whole Sweden have disappeared because of dams. And my mom didn’t have a clue that. Yeah, just so I mean, it’s not easy. It’s easy for us that are so involved and read and reading and watching everything about play fishing. 00;37;07;10 – 00;37;34;00 Emilie But people that maybe don’t play fish know this kind of stuff. So I think it’s important to get out there and inspire, to get out there and be by the water, because I think when we start, maybe stop fishing and being outside and you know who will be there, maybe they build a dam instead, you know. So I really believe in in just connecting. 00;37;35;25 – 00;37;58;04 Dave Quick shout out to today’s sponsor. 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Digging for the information, you’ll get access to public land maps, stream access points, regulations and even road and trail maps all in one place. It’s become my go to app for scouting new trips. 00;38;42;05 – 00;39;02;26 Dave You can check them out right now. Go to west by swing dot com slash trout roots and download the app today. Well you mentioned Emily with the kids. I have a couple of kids 12 and 14 and I find that a struggle for me because I you know, they’ve been outdoors I mean they were when they were six months old, we had them on in the boat, on the water, you know, very kind of extreme, trying to. 00;39;03;28 – 00;39;04;03 Emilie Sort. 00;39;04;03 – 00;39;20;26 Dave Of always love the outdoor. Right. And but but I feel like for me, it’s a struggle now that they’re this age that they and I’m like trying to educate them on and give them some hope. You know, I feel like that’s a great thing. What do you tell your kids, Emily? Or maybe I tell I’m not sure. You know, just like, how do you give the kids hope? 00;39;20;26 – 00;39;24;10 Dave What do you tell them to realize, Wow, the world isn’t going to blow up tomorrow? 00;39;25;03 – 00;39;58;25 Emilie Exactly. I don’t I think I mean, just being outside and be by the rivers and be in the forest and maybe make them sit down on the couch and watch an episode once in a while and like, yeah, show them. And like here in Sweden, like a couple of months ago, they invented a new word, bio phobic. That means that you are scared of nature or discussed by nature. 00;39;58;25 – 00;40;23;28 Emilie Yeah. So I think it’s more important than ever to connect your kids to the outdoor because the future generation, you know. And. Yeah, yeah, but I, my niece, she’s 14 and she loves our serious and watch it all over again and she says that Yeah so I, I feel really hopeful for next generation then. 00;40;24;04 – 00;40;24;18 Dave Cool. 00;40;25;19 – 00;40;38;26 Emilie And I think fly fishing is just awesome way to connect to the outdoors you know and you don’t have to catch fish. I mean just be outside learning and kill the bugs and yeah. 00;40;39;09 – 00;40;56;19 Dave I think that’s what’s cool about, you know, again, we’re trying to make sure these fish don’t go extinct and stuff like that. But it’s interesting, you know, you don’t have to catch. That’s the cool thing about salmon and steelhead. I feel like a lot of people, you know, of course, catching the fish is a goal, but if you’re out there just working on your space casts, you know, sometimes that’s all you right? 00;40;56;19 – 00;41;04;05 Dave I feel like that’s a that’s kind of cool. A cool part of fly fishing is that you don’t have to, you know, catch a fish or a bunch of fish to have a good time. That’s what you’re saying. 00;41;04;16 – 00;41;06;28 Emilie Um hum. Percent. Yeah. 00;41;07;00 – 00;41;24;29 Dave Cool. Well, this is good. I never biofeedback. That’s definitely a1i haven’t really thought about or heard much, but. But yeah, I guess it makes sense with the kids these days, with all the devices and, and all that stuff. But. Well, I don’t want to know. I think we’ve got a little bit of time here. I want to make sure I don’t miss anything. 00;41;24;29 – 00;41;38;04 Dave So on the shows, you know, obviously, you know, we have we’re going to be able to watch everything now. But what would you tell somebody listening now if they haven’t seen the any of the programs? You know, that we haven’t covered today? What would you like them to know? The highlight here? 00;41;38;19 – 00;41;40;03 Emilie Wow. Yeah. 00;41;40;05 – 00;41;56;12 Dave I mean, I know it’s a you know, when I go into this, Ted, but I go to these podcasts, you know, I have this struggle of like, I want to there’s so much to talk about and it’s always good to focus it. You know, I feel like today we focused it a little bit right on Sweden. And what we have going, which I’m interested in. 00;41;56;12 – 00;42;08;24 Dave I mean, I like I said, I think that the Sweden thing is interesting because we hear a lot about Norway in private waters and how you have to be rich to fish, but what we’ve learned is Sweden actually has public waters, which is exciting. People can go for their own fish. 00;42;09;10 – 00;42;09;19 Emilie Yeah. 00;42;10;02 – 00;42;11;13 Ted Yeah, that’s the best part. 00;42;11;13 – 00;42;29;09 Dave So but yeah, I don’t know. What do you think? Is that a is there anything, you know, high level like that would be a big thing. I would want to make sure people didn’t miss, you know, that there are opportunities to fish in, you know, in Sweden, Norway. We’ve talked about a number of things. I think we’ve hit on a little bit of where you guys have gone in the first six shows in the series. 00;42;29;22 – 00;42;34;24 Dave But is there anything else big we’ve missed that you want to let people know, you know, before they go over and watch these things. 00;42;35;06 – 00;43;11;01 Emilie That we are continuing doing episodes and being out there? Yeah, and we are releasing the Italy one now in April and then yeah, we are going to do plenty of more episode this year and if we survive, we will continue next year. I hope you’re doing it so. That’s right. And I have a feeling that maybe I hope I’m wrong, but that we need more fly fishers in the world. 00;43;11;15 – 00;43;19;06 Emilie And I hope that the Syrians inspire people to get out there and yeah, go deeper into nature. 00;43;19;17 – 00;43;20;03 Dave Definitely. 00;43;20;24 – 00;44;01;29 Ted And I think I mean it’s we are super grateful with the feedback that’s having, you know, reaching us from, from viewers that they, you know, really like, like the stories and the format and the, you know, Yeah, I mean, that that’s what makes it all all worth it. All the struggles in a way that that people, you know, you get the feeling that people are are appreciating it then you know it maybe even as Emily said, you know being inspired by it and in some way, it’s it’s super rewarding. 00;44;01;29 – 00;44;02;17 Ted Definitely. 00;44;02;24 – 00;44;18;15 Dave That’s huge. What is the when you started the project finishing the first season, did it change or evolve quite a bit from what your initial concept was getting into it, or is it pretty much how it turned out, kind of how you you kind of saw it as you were writing those scripts? 00;44;18;27 – 00;44;46;06 Ted Yeah, I think that’s a super interesting question and but I think it’s I mean, the kind of vision that that we had before, you know, taking the the experience from the other production that we have done in the past and just, you know, cherry picking the things that we liked from those and trying to put it into today’s concept, I think it it turned out pretty much as we would have hoped. 00;44;46;06 – 00;45;09;05 Ted I think I think it pretty much aligned with with the vision at least what I saw in in front of me then. I definitely think that we hugely underestimated the amount of work that you have you have to do for it’s kind of exponential. I mean, if you do want one episode or one film, that’s I mean, that’s kind of an isolated thing. 00;45;09;05 – 00;45;26;12 Ted But if you do six and you have to, you know, you have to write script when you’re editing and you have to do it location scouting and talent search, I mean, it’s it’s kind of gets exponentially in that way. And I think that was and it came as a little bit of a surprise. 00;45;26;22 – 00;45;32;12 Emilie But it is so much fun it is fun. It’s not Oh, yes, we need to say that. 00;45;32;17 – 00;45;51;07 Dave Yeah, you’re doing this amazing thing. You’re traveling the world and doing things, but now I hear you. It’s similar for us. You know, I think that we have a we have almost a daily interview podcast, which if you ask me why. Yeah, I think if you ask anybody, I don’t think anybody’s even close to doing that. But it’s and these are not just short snippets. 00;45;51;07 – 00;46;11;25 Dave These are full length episodes like we’re doing. So for me it was always a little bit of goal, but the work to get there know, and you write, it takes a lot. You’re in the middle of it during the week and you’re like, Oh, okay, yeah, almost. I go back to this book that I’ve really loved. It’s called the I’ve said this quite a bit on the podcast, but the the war of arts, you know, the power of art. 00;46;11;25 – 00;46;26;22 Dave And so Steven Press feel right. This is kind of a famous but he, he basically said, you know, anything you love that you want to be successful and you’ve got to be almost like a marine, like a military person. You got to be able to take the abuse, you know, and wake up early every morning even when you don’t want to. 00;46;26;23 – 00;46;38;12 Dave And you’re sick. You got to be able to like this guy literally lived out of his car for like like ten years because he was a struggling writer. But guess what? Eventually he wrote a book that became a movie and he became rich, you know. 00;46;38;22 – 00;46;39;05 Emilie So it’s it’s. 00;46;39;05 – 00;46;51;21 Dave Kind of funny they write. But for me, I think about that because I really like some of these mornings that, you know, are times where you’re like, Oh, man, I don’t feel like doing the work, but you’re like, You know what? That’s what pros do. Prose get up and do the work. Exactly. Do you feel like I think that’s kind of what you’re talking about, right? 00;46;51;21 – 00;47;00;29 Dave You guys have done the work, but it’s pretty rewarding. Does it? How does it feel now where you’re at when you now see these these shows that are out there? What’s that feel like for both of you now as you look back on it? 00;47;01;09 – 00;47;30;17 Emilie I am super proud. I mean, I’m super proud of Ted. I mean, because it’s a he’s. Yeah, but steady. I give you some stuff, but he’s he like Ted is walking around with that heavy backpack and this camera 24 seven when we’re out and that we managed to get it together in some way we get Yeah it’s and the great feedback so I am super proud of what we have done together with Lupe. 00;47;30;25 – 00;47;45;01 Dave What about you? That’s pretty awesome, I’m sure to hear. What what’s it like for you? I feel like the what you’re doing this, it’s all kind of this artistic thing, but for you, is it just easy for you to go out there and get the shot? Or does it? You have to work this to find that shot, You know what I mean? 00;47;45;01 – 00;47;53;03 Dave Because for me, you know, I got a phone in my pocket. I’m like, Oh man, how do I get even a photo, a snapshot of a good face? Like, is that come easy to you? 00;47;53;15 – 00;48;01;15 Ted No, definitely not. I actually yes. When you were talking, I placed an order for that book devoid of art, because it really resonated with me. 00;48;02;02 – 00;48;03;16 Emilie I love it. You know, I love it. 00;48;03;24 – 00;48;04;12 Ted I think it’s. 00;48;04;12 – 00;48;18;20 Dave Just going to make you feel good because you’re going to you’re going to realize, oh, okay. When I feel like that, it’s it’s okay. That’s what that’s who that’s put in the work. He calls it this things. He calls it his muse. You know, it’s this thing in the back of your head that everybody has that says you’re not good enough, you’re not good enough. 00;48;18;20 – 00;48;27;19 Dave You can’t. Why should you be the one that makes a video for Lupe, you know, And he keeps telling you that. But you’ve got to battle through that resistance. Then once you get through, the resistance is when you get there. 00;48;28;02 – 00;48;28;19 Emilie Wow. 00;48;28;20 – 00;48;29;21 Ted I love. 00;48;29;22 – 00;48;30;28 Dave Yeah, that’s pretty cool. Yeah. 00;48;30;28 – 00;48;56;15 Ted You know, but I think it’s I am just super, super grateful for that, of course. And proud of Emily as well, I think. And I always said to emulate, I think she is kind of one of our one of a kind in the fly fishing industry. I think he’s totally unique. So so be able to work with her is really, really fulfilling in every, every sense of the word. 00;48;56;15 – 00;49;18;12 Ted And then I also think that it’s so it’s kind of a beautiful thing when you have this incredible people that we get to portray it on, on camera and they are kind of, you know, they are lending us their, you know, life achievements in a way. Yeah. I mean, they’ve been fly fishing for, you know, their whole life and have been learning so much along their journey. 00;49;18;19 – 00;49;35;12 Ted And we get to portray that. And then I think that’s that’s actually one of the, you know, the biggest pressure that I think we feel that we need to make these people justice. We want to make them proud if they feel, you know, oh, this is not really or did I come off like that? 00;49;35;12 – 00;49;36;03 Emilie Right. 00;49;36;16 – 00;49;51;03 Ted That would be awful. So so I think that’s when when you get, you know, a thumbs up from from a Simon shoe or Yvonne then then it’s that feels really, really good. 00;49;51;12 – 00;49;59;03 Dave It feels good when you get it when you got you got it right you know that you know you’re getting the feedback right People are telling you’re hearing it from people saying, Yeah, you got you did it. You got it, right? 00;49;59;13 – 00;50;06;09 Ted Yeah, yeah. I mean, like we didn’t we didn’t mess up, but I think that’s. Yeah, that’s kind of Yes. 00;50;07;01 – 00;50;10;10 Emilie Yes that’s true. Yeah. 00;50;10;20 – 00;50;35;17 Dave Well I think that, you know Emily question I have, you know, before we get out of here a little bit I think is really one we don’t always talk about, but I think it’s out there. And you as a female angler, I think is probably a great person to talk about. We’ve talked a lot about it in the U.S. because like all of us had this 5050, you know, campaign trying to get women more women out on the water because it was always this fly fishing, at least in the U.S., has always been like this old white guy thing. 00;50;35;17 – 00;50;49;09 Dave You know, it’s it’s the old white guy. Right? But like, not as much diversity, not as many women, all that, but I think we’ve done some good things here. What’s that do you think about that at all from your perspective? Are there more women getting involved in fly fishing around the world in Sweden? 00;50;49;21 – 00;51;29;01 Emilie Yeah. I mean, yeah, absolutely. I mean, when I started the Sportfishing Academy in To Become a Guide 2012 or 11 before social media, there was Yeah. And you saw no female anglers in magazine or blogs or the only women sailfish I found in blogs on website was April Vokey Now, really, right? April Yeah, yeah. But no one in Sweden it was so difficult to find other and the class I went to like a sport fishing academy in Sweden. 00;51;29;01 – 00;51;52;19 Emilie It’s a two year academy where you learn how to. Yeah, guiding and tourism and conservation and how to start your own business. And in that class it was me and 25 guys, right? Wow. Yeah. And, and that was a shock for me because I, I grew up with my parents both mom and dad fishing a lot since I grew up. 00;51;52;19 – 00;52;26;28 Emilie So I got so surprised when I started the school. So I after school, I started my own business doing classes for only women and yeah, and that was in 2013. And so many women just showed up and and wanted to do the fly tying courses and casting. And I did guiding trips and yes, like I had to say no because it was something I knew women would want to get involved. 00;52;26;28 – 00;52;55;11 Emilie So I think something is changing now. I see more and more women getting into fly fishing. Absolutely. Yeah. But it’s it’s still a lot of work that has had to be done in magazines, in films and. Right. Everything, I think, super important. And I think it’s even more important that I mean that everyone is fly fishers see it more like that and not a woman that is fly fishing. 00;52;55;14 – 00;52;56;07 Dave Yeah, exactly. 00;52;56;11 – 00;53;08;07 Emilie Yeah. So I think it’s we are getting there but it’s in so it’s awesome with all the different classes and things happening right now. 100%. 00;53;08;14 – 00;53;17;28 Dave Right, right. That’s the other cool thing about what you have going is that since you’ve been doing this, you’re inspiring. Yeah. Lots of, I’m sure, new female anglers out there, Right. Who watch the video and. 00;53;18;28 – 00;53;19;18 Emilie So. 00;53;19;19 – 00;53;20;23 Dave We’ll get into it. Yeah. 00;53;21;02 – 00;53;31;15 Emilie Yeah. And both my daughters are totally into fishing, so hopefully they also want to continue the journey. Gotcha. We need more. 00;53;31;23 – 00;53;40;13 Dave Yeah, we do. We definitely do. And Ted, what about you? We. It sounds like Emily’s been got started with her parents. How did you get started in Fly fishing? Have you been doing doing this a while? 00;53;40;29 – 00;54;01;10 Ted Oh, yes, I. I think if you grow up in the north, northern part of Sweden, you don’t really, you know, there’s not really a choice. So you don’t really reflect on whether you’re going fishing or not. So I think, you know, I’ve been fishing all my life and I think I was like, you know, 13, 14 when I got into to fly fishing and and that around. 00;54;01;11 – 00;54;10;17 Ted Actually, it’s kind of funny that we went to the same school, me and Emily, that the Academy. But I did it like ten years before. 00;54;10;18 – 00;54;10;27 Emilie For. 00;54;12;07 – 00;54;43;02 Ted So I’m much older and the, and the yeah I started working as a guide in the year 2000 and then, you know, got into writing and photography for for magazines and even worked as an editor for a fly fishing magazine in Scandinavia for a while and then somehow, you know, turned into videography further on. And so I think fly fishing is yeah, it’s been, you know, the constant of all my life. 00;54;43;02 – 00;55;02;11 Ted It’s taken different different approaches to it. Yeah. And I’m really happy that I nowadays don’t pick up and pick up the camera instead of the of the rods. I think it’s a it’s a nice ride that this No, no pressure on me. Somebody else is going to do the work in the field of it. It’s perfect. 00;55;03;07 – 00;55;21;14 Dave Exactly. That’s cool, right? Well, give us a couple. I always like to get a couple of tips out of, you know, as we’re in here on fishing, what is the species it sounds like obviously, Atlantic salmon. That’s kind of your home waters. Maybe give us a tip. Let’s start with you, Emily. Like anything we’re going like I said, we’re going to Mountain Waters Resort. 00;55;21;19 – 00;55;31;07 Dave We’re going to Newfoundland, which is not far from Labrador there across the, you know, and and it’s going to be my first trip. What would you tell me to have a better chance at catching one of those fish on a dry fly? 00;55;31;20 – 00;55;42;02 Emilie Oh, wow. Okay. I have only found that once. But you know, it’s really interesting because I was fishing with Yvonne and Mauro. 00;55;42;02 – 00;55;44;06 Dave Oh, you were all. You’re fishing with Yvonne John. 00;55;44;13 – 00;55;50;19 Emilie Yes. And he gave. Oh, that’s cool. Yeah. He gave me a little tiny flip. 00;55;50;25 – 00;55;54;10 Dave Oh he did. So you fished one of his little pheasant tail flies? 00;55;54;12 – 00;56;07;14 Emilie Yes. Yes. And I caught salmon on that too. And on the other cast, I was casting a big bomber and I was catching a segment of that, too. So that’s I mean, it’s all good. 00;56;07;16 – 00;56;11;24 Dave What was the advice that Yvonne, what did he give you? Did he give you any advice? Did he tell you anything? 00;56;11;24 – 00;56;35;20 Emilie Oh, plenty of many. He didn’t. Yeah, he would fishing that fly. He was like almost flicking it a bit. I remember giving like the fly some movements and some movement. Right? Yeah. And because I never thought I would catch a salmon on that tiny fly, you know? Yeah. So that was super cool. 00;56;35;23 – 00;56;40;01 Dave Was it like a small little, like a size like ten or 12 or something like that or. 00;56;40;09 – 00;56;42;27 Emilie Yeah, yeah, I guess that’s maybe smaller even. 00;56;43;00 – 00;56;45;02 Dave Yeah, yeah, maybe so. I was like a trout fly. 00;56;45;02 – 00;57;16;08 Emilie Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think it was in that size. Yeah. And also, Yvonne, I learned a lot fishing with Yvonne tomorrow because they are very about the details about fishing. The right streamline of the water next to the rock. Okay, there is the salmon. Bam. There You go, guys. So very thorough with the cast and not doing like I do sometimes when I fish in Sweden, I just max out and just push it double handed. 00;57;16;26 – 00;57;28;21 Emilie Yeah, yeah. But yeah, yeah. So just read the water before you start fishing. Yeah, I think especially in those smaller waters. Yeah, I think that’s important. 00;57;29;00 – 00;57;43;12 Dave Yeah, that’s a great tip. Basically we’ve heard that quite a bit. The fact that Yeah, you don’t want to just cast out there and swing the fly, you know, cast and swing how you want to actually focus on trying to fish the fly. Right. Know what it’s doing under there. Try to find that scene where you think that fish is. 00;57;43;22 – 00;57;44;05 Emilie Yeah. 00;57;44;05 – 00;57;56;09 Dave And then fish the fly. Right. That’s kind of. That’s awesome. Exactly cool. And what about you, Ted? Do you have a tip for us on it? Could be, you know, Sweden, if your home waters are for out there for for salmon, what would you tell us? 00;57;56;11 – 00;58;01;08 Ted Well, I know I got some really good time to think about. 00;58;01;22 – 00;58;03;06 Emilie Yeah, I have really good. 00;58;03;06 – 00;58;29;26 Ted Tip for you. And I didn’t come up with anything. I reflected on that. How sloppy. I’m getting it at fishing. You know, I. I a small river just on the back side of my house and 20 minutes to one of Sweden’s best rivers. And. And I kind of set up the rod with in May, and then I just leave it basically with the same fly throughout the season. 00;58;29;26 – 00;58;31;02 Emilie You do? That’s cool. Yeah. 00;58;31;08 – 00;58;42;24 Ted It’s it’s it’s terrible. I think. So. Instead of giving you a tip, I would make you a promise that the year of 2026, I will start changing some of and I can get back to you. 00;58;43;04 – 00;58;43;20 Dave Oh good. 00;58;43;28 – 00;58;47;21 Ted After the season we just do that. If. If a fly worked. 00;58;48;02 – 00;58;54;27 Dave Yeah. No, let’s circle back around after you finish this next season of the series and we’ll see how you did with your changing up the flies. 00;58;55;09 – 00;58;58;11 Ted Yeah, I’m sorry I couldn’t be more. More of a help, dear. 00;58;58;14 – 00;58;59;16 Emilie No, I’m good. 00;59;00;05 – 00;59;02;02 Ted I will keep my fingers crossed, though. 00;59;02;02 – 00;59;19;04 Dave Yeah, Yeah, definitely. Definitely not. Great. Well, am I always love to have a random question in here today. You know, you’re doing video production. Maybe Ted will stick with you on this. Are you have you listen to other podcasts? Are you a podcast listener at all or do you listen? Like if you’re on a on a trip, do you listen to more music or podcasts? 00;59;19;21 – 00;59;37;13 Ted Actually listening to quite a lot podcasts. And I actually been doing some some research on on there. But when we do research, I listen to your podcast because you have such a huge library, basically. Yeah. Basically everybody that you wander is, is in there somewhere. 00;59;37;20 – 00;59;55;02 Dave Just about we have we’ve been close to, you know, we’ve talked about a number of the people Yvonne has been on. That was pretty amazing to have him on then. But Goran Andersson, he’s a guy we actually I talked to him on email. Yeah. And then we lost track of him. So hopefully we still got a few big names of people we’re going to get on here, so hopefully we can track down Goran again. 00;59;55;05 – 00;59;55;26 Ted Yeah, Yeah, that. 00;59;56;05 – 00;59;57;20 Dave That’s great to hear. So podcasts. Yeah. 00;59;57;28 – 00;59;59;02 Ted Yeah, definitely. 00;59;59;04 – 01;00;05;10 Dave What about do you have a podcast other than the fly fishing related that you listen to out there. Yeah. Or a genre. 01;00;05;20 – 01;00;24;12 Ted Hey, I’ve got a this is kind of a guilty pleasure. It’s it’s I’m, I’m listening listening to a, you know podcast about video games. Okay. I never, I never play video. Yeah, I haven’t played a video game since I was like 18. Oh, really? But I still, you know, identify myself as a gamer, especially in front of my kids. 01;00;24;28 – 01;00;34;00 Ted So I, you know, keep keeping track of what they are doing, rising to podcasts about video game, then I can be quite honest, I think. 01;00;34;09 – 01;00;41;24 Dave Yeah. So the podcast about video games, is it just kind of give you a like what the kids are listening, are watching now what they’re playing at the video games? Is that kind of what it’s about? 01;00;42;05 – 01;00;44;17 Ted Yeah, yeah. I’m trying to be down with the kids. 01;00;44;17 – 01;00;45;27 Dave Yeah. There you go. Awesome. 01;00;46;20 – 01;00;48;11 Ted I’m not. I don’t think I am though. 01;00;48;17 – 01;00;56;23 Dave No, no, that’s a funny thing about as you get older, you feel like you’re still you’re still there and you’re like, Oh, I’m actually that to them, we’re just old people, you know? That’s the funny. 01;00;56;23 – 01;00;58;07 Emilie Thing. Yeah. 01;00;58;12 – 01;01;03;21 Dave How about you, Emily? What’s your are you listen to more music or podcasts when you’re out there on the road? 01;01;04;03 – 01;01;14;12 Emilie It depends, of course, but I love listening to podcasts. I love yours, David. I mean, I could say you have so many great people on board. 01;01;15;11 – 01;01;23;29 Dave We need more on your side of the pond. That’s all I always joke about. We have a lot we’ve had a lot of interviews, but again, we need more. I guess I’ll maybe keep in touch with you to find some more good guest. 01;01;24;01 – 01;01;56;15 Emilie Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hundred percent. Okay. But I mean, yeah, so. So your podcast is really, really good. The one I fished with same issue. Oh yeah. In Montana and in New Zealand. Yeah. So that was a really good one. And the one you did with Nick and Keith Honeycutt was really. Yeah that’s right. And yeah, but I don’t so I only listen to Fly Fishing podcast or a little bit of hunting because of course I hunt the lot. 01;01;56;16 – 01;01;58;13 Emilie Oh, you do. And I don’t fish. Yeah, yeah. 01;01;58;13 – 01;02;01;01 Dave Are you hunting for what’s the one, the species or the animal? 01;02;01;06 – 01;02;15;24 Emilie A moose. Oh, moose. Yeah. Wow. That’s cool. So I live in live in a in a little forest village. We have, like 400 people, so all we can do is fish, fish and hunt and cross skiing. 01;02;16;03 – 01;02;17;11 Dave That’s so cool. 01;02;17;12 – 01;02;18;06 Emilie Yeah. Wow. 01;02;18;28 – 01;02;25;08 Dave And you got any have moose. And moose are good, right, Mouser? You’ve got. You want to get one of those for the freezer. Right. That’s good tasting meat. 01;02;25;20 – 01;02;32;00 Emilie Yeah, it is. I mean we so I hunt during the fall and then I have meat for the whole year. 01;02;32;07 – 01;02;33;24 Dave There you go. There you go. Cool. 01;02;34;14 – 01;02;53;12 Ted And I think you should also mention, of course, that have the playlist on Spotify for for the production. We, we, we started it in, in Montana and now we asked you know we keep adding songs to it and it’s I think if you just follow our state of mind we’ve been feeling Yes. 01;02;53;12 – 01;02;55;05 Dave Oh, so you have a playlist on Spotify? 01;02;55;16 – 01;02;56;13 Emilie Yeah, we do. 01;02;56;22 – 01;02;59;12 Dave Is it a public Is it public playlist? Can we can you listen? 01;02;59;12 – 01;03;01;10 Ted Do I think we should make it public? 01;03;01;20 – 01;03;07;01 Emilie Yeah, Yeah, we should. Let’s hear it. And the name is the Wagoner’s. 01;03;07;01 – 01;03;07;28 Dave The Wagoner’s? 01;03;08;11 – 01;03;14;22 Ted Yeah. Yeah. It’s because I don’t. Is it the. We had the Wagoneer as a rental. Maybe we were in Montana. 01;03;14;22 – 01;03;16;03 Dave We had a Wagoneer. There you go. 01;03;16;03 – 01;03;19;07 Ted Yeah. Yeah. We really fell in love with it and. Yeah. 01;03;19;07 – 01;03;23;06 Dave How seriously, how is that Wagoneer that I remember that. That looks like a pretty nice vehicle. Pretty good. 01;03;23;06 – 01;03;23;22 Emilie Well we. 01;03;25;07 – 01;03;26;13 Ted It’s, we named. 01;03;26;13 – 01;03;27;20 Emilie Our season on the road. 01;03;27;20 – 01;03;28;11 Ted They Wagoneer. 01;03;29;03 – 01;03;30;29 Dave There you go. I love that And it’s so good. 01;03;31;22 – 01;03;35;13 Emilie Yes We have a really good playlist of the Wagoneer. 01;03;35;17 – 01;03;40;01 Ted Yes to everything from and yeah to Rage against the Machine though. 01;03;40;02 – 01;04;01;17 Dave This is perfect. Oh this is a great way to end it because for a couple of reasons. First of all, we love music, so we’ll get hopefully we can change that to public so people can listen to it when they go out to hear some wagon years. And then the I love the Wagoneer too, because my dad, I’m not sure if you know, when I was a little kid, we always had these Jeep made a Wagoneer, the Jeep Wagoneer, it was called the Jeep Wagoneer and it was a a car that people loved my whole life. 01;04;01;17 – 01;04;22;12 Dave We had these wagon years and then and then it went away in the eighties or whatever the year was. And then also this Wagoneer that you guys drove comes out and it’s like $100,000 vehicle, right? This giant. I’m like, okay, I’m probably not going to get a Wagoneer. So I’m kind of living vicariously through you guys today. I wonder if you would recommend one that if you if you could afford it, that would be a good rig to get. 01;04;22;18 – 01;04;28;21 Ted I mean, just for the record, it’s so far away from from the kind of vehicle that normal travel in something. 01;04;28;22 – 01;04;34;17 Emilie Yeah, exactly. It’s a get that straight out. Yes. But it was a cool wagon. 01;04;34;22 – 01;04;45;27 Dave It was cool to have. Yeah. I think you got to see even when you travel a little bit, I feel like it’s it’s okay to splurge, you know, to kind of take a couple of things if, you know, if you got a little extra money, take that that better seat on the flight. Right. 01;04;45;27 – 01;04;49;05 Emilie What’s that pretty. So. Okay. 01;04;49;22 – 01;05;11;01 Dave Well, good. So we got some music out of this. And like you said, I think we could leave it there today. We’ll send everybody out to wild fish, wild places on YouTube. Emily Bjorkman They can track that down there. And then, yeah, this has been amazing. Really appreciate you both coming on here today and I’m excited to follow the journey and we’ll be we’ll be watching those here today and this week as we go out here. 01;05;11;01 – 01;05;12;04 Dave So thanks for all your time. 01;05;12;16 – 01;05;13;00 Ted Thank you. 01;05;13;08 – 01;05;14;05 Emilie Thank you, Dave. 01;05;16;03 – 01;05;34;27 Dave All right. If you want, check in with Emily or Ted, head over to wild fish, Wild places on YouTube. Let them know you heard this podcast. We love that as well. Check in with a loop tackle. You can do that now left tackle dot com. And if you’re interested in connecting with us, we fly swing pro We just had a new cohort come in. 01;05;34;27 – 01;05;55;01 Dave We’re excited to be digging into all the content there You can go to Wi-Fi swing dot com slash pro you can sign up there and we’ll let you know when we open this thing back up and we’re excited to be jumping into all the content here. Also want to give you a big heads up. We have a big kickoff for fishing expeditions, the Alaska Trip and Conservation event that we’re doing this year. 01;05;55;21 – 01;06;12;09 Dave Salmon states to sit in the river Coalition. If you’re interested in checking in with that fish out exhibitions always doing great work up there in Alaska. They’ve got the road system cover. They’re doing some amazing stuff. Stay tuned. Next week, we’re going to be doing a giveaway. Your chance to win a spot up to fish down this year. 01;06;12;18 – 01;06;24;25 Dave All right. I got to get out of here. Really enjoy this one. I hope you enjoyed it. And I hope you’re having a good morning, afternoon or evening, no matter where you are in the world. And look forward to talking to you on the next episode. Well, we’ll see you then. 01;06;25;14 – 01;06;39;04 Emilie Thanks for listening to the wet fly Swing fly fishing show for notes and links from this episode. Visit Wet Fly, swing, Dotcom.